Dear friends, this answer from Quiliro to Michel is very important for the readers on this list. Is that true, that Quiliro from Ecuador is excluded from the P2P-F list? And also Bernardo?
many greetings, willi Bogota, Colombia -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [Research] [investigacion] english version of the summit declaration Datum: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 10:11:43 -0500 Von: Quiliro Ordóñez Baca <[email protected]> An: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> Kopie (CC): willi uebelherr <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Leopoldo Sanfuentes <[email protected]>, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>, Dania Irene Quirola Suarez <[email protected]>, Franz Nahrada <[email protected]>, jakob rigi <[email protected]> El mié 16 jul 2014 05:42:16 ECT, Michel Bauwens escribió: > dear Quiliro, > > while things may look quietly on the western front, they may be less > than you think, > > after the public threats to publish my private emails so I wouldn't > publish an independent political evaluation, BG has systematically > targetted my associations, threatening to 'bring me down', promising a > bombshell, and trying to wean them away from the network promising > juicy flok contracts ... this is just the way they operate, and none > of us is going to change that .. That is a terrible thing. One thing is to try to make things clear for others and another is to try to destroy people. > there are particular group dynamics at work there, a paranoid style of > politics that dictates that who is not 100% with them, is necessarily > a dark enemy. Bernardo's case is typical, he was not there most of the > time, yet a few days after arriving, got convinced of their truths and > actively started to spread disinformation; even when I sent him > counterfactuals, he continued. > > It is one thing to believe someone out of loyalty and trust, but > another thing to continue to actively spread them when you already > know they are untrue, > > As for myself, I will of course never again work in this dynamic, and > I'm trying to ignore the many false accusation that BG is spreading, > > the danger is that we sink into negativity, which they seem to enjoy > as conquistadores, keeping us away from our constructive work, > > I'm trying to ignore these dynamics as best as I can, It is better to learn about them than to ignore them. It is happy to have been through something bad when we get over it and learn from it. I know you are not used to these defamatory and inflammatory tactics of these people because you have always managed yourself in good terms with everyone. But it is a signal of being close to the fire....And fire can make change! On another topic, I would like to ask why have I not been allowed to subscribe to the p2p-foundation mailing list and if it was a policy to ban Bernardo from it (as he writes to me that he was previously subscribed). I know he is a terrible person and that he is good at trying to look like a sheep when he is really a wolf. But it is important for me to distinguish FLOK management's attitude of censorship from P2P Foundation attitude of inclusion. To do so, it would be important that p2p-foundation mailing list would not incorporate any sort of censorship on its mailing list. -- Saludos libres, Quiliro Ordóñez 600 8579 _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
