I don't doubt Willi has to go.
If you are reading this Willi, your messages seem to be written from a
place of distressed desperation and I suspect that with the Bollier book
message you may, intentionally or not, be actually seeking rejection.
Some of us can get into a psy framework where such rejection is
necessary to sustain our view of the world or ourselves and eventually
we may succeed in getting our wish.
That said, I wonder if there is anything we need to attend to re P2P
Foundation governance and its (our) public presence? Don't Willi's
provocations amount to the third such attack this year on, or resistance
to, the P2P Foundation's accumulation of power? At a minimum, the power
to define what matters in economic and social futures?
I don't know the answer to this but having experienced a few attacks
myself, I have come to see all dissent, including that coming from
distress, as carrying a story that can have value for the target. What
is this opposition trying to tell us?
I find the Foundation hugely valuable but I still find its, (our?)
governance less than transparent. The present debacle has been useful
for me in opening this out a bit and also in providing an example for
the parallel discussion under 'matriarchy' which provides a very
relevant context for these questions.
Thanks Michel for the facebook posting of some of my remarks there.
Goodbye Willi. Take care.
Denis
On 20/08/2014 18:09, Michel Bauwens wrote:
I used to maintain a strong rule of no personal attacks on the list,
but I must say I have gotten tired to be the only one reacting,
Willi, who is notorious for these kinds of attacks and false
accusations, is clearly making a gratuitous accusation against our
friend David Bollier, whom I know as a lifelong activist for the
commons, at great personal sacrifice, and the contrary of someone who
uses the commons for private personal gain.
does everyone find that normal ? do we have to the time to spend
answering such provocations ?
personally, it is here that I would give a warning to Willi, and say,
this is not the place for such unsupported attacks, and please abstain
or you will have to leave this forum.
But for Willi, this is just been systematic practice, so the warnings
have been repeated endlessly in various forums, and it has had no effect,
So I'm requesting the removal of Willi from this list, as he has been
removed recently from the networked labour list, exactly for the same
reason,
Kevin, as list manager, I believe this is your job?
personal defamation is not an acceptable practice on this list,
I am not going to get into a debate on this, but if any people would
find it such practices normal, I would propose to disband this list
and start a new one where this rule is made clear from the very
beginning, avoiding endless discussions on it,
Michel Bauwens
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Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: Book of the Day: Think Like a Commoner
Dear friends,
i love the contributions of hartsellml. You think, David Bollier is
working for the commons?
No. You see, he want to sell his books only. Try to find a free access
to his writing. He use the commons resource, our discussion, our
visions, our doing, our history to make a private buisness with his
description.
many greetings, willi
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Book of the Day: Think Like a Commoner
** Book: Think Like a Commoner
<http://www.newsociety.com/Books/T/Think-Like-a-Commoner>. A Short
Introduction to the Life of the Commons by David Bollier. New Society,
2014*
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