Oh, and also forgot in my affiliations, "Learning Research Fellow, Schumacher
Institute (http://www.schumacherinstitute.org.uk ) which I alone hasten to add
here because I just noticed this great program on our affiliated Schumacher
College website (http://www.schumachercollege.org.uk) of your course, Michel
Towards a Commons-Based Political Economy - Rethinking State, Market and Civil
Society, 21 - 24 April
Which I am hopefully going to try and attend! :-)
Lots really good and I'm looking forward to it and actually meeting you,
June
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Well Michel, we are in perfect agreement there!
My point is always that if there is ever going to be a chance to improve on the
beginning in these missing ways, they certainly need to be acknowledged and
validated, along with the important celebration of what is truly new and
exciting in that win.
And sorry, I should remember to sign these so here's the whole thing! :-)
June
June Gorman,
Educator and Educational Theorist
Co-founder,
Transformative Education Forum<http://www.tef-global.org/>
Education Advisor,
UN SafePlanet Campaign <http://www.safepla.net/>
Board Project
Director for Outreach, International Model United Nations
Association<http://imuna.org/>
Steering Committee,
(UNESCO/Global Compact) K-12 Sector for Sustainability Education
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unfortunately, the collective view seems to filter out the name of the person
sending the messages, so not sure whom I'm responding to, June I guess ?
just to clarify, my comments are not related to supporting the fact that there
are not enough women in the government, I strongly deplore that
my comments are a response to the demand that alternative movements should
fully integrate the demands of an idealized form of awareness and be perfect in
that sense ...
Syriza has other weaknesses that I deplore .. it's commons orientation is weak,
it's ecological orientation is very weak (I heard), and the lack of female
representation is another ..
this being said, should we stop critically rejoicing because of it. My answer
is no, critical support is needed, pointing out the above and other weaknesses
is part of that support ..
Michel
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Thank you, Michel and Vasilis for getting the actual clarification data. I had
meant the actual "ministers" though it is good to know that women are there to
help out as "deputy ministers". That is more sincerely meant, than it might
sound.
But no Michel, I like you too much and value the work you do with the P2P
Foundation too much, to let you or the P2P Foundation off the hook as accepting
that asking for more female (and other previously left out "others")
representation in the leadership of a modern industrialised "new-vision"
Commons-oriented government in the year 2015, is too "radical" an ask. Again,
that makes no "Commons sense" to me and shouldn't to anyone.
I think my "support" (and Anna's clearly it seemed to me) is actually given
rather than withdrawn in these very comments, warning that not addressing these
underlying "misses", certainly in not admitting and validating them, is the
very reality-most-likely to-derail any hoped for true value-systems change that
all sustainable political-economic systems rest on or certainly fall on,
ultimately.
Why it is seen as "either/or" and oppositional to even raise these warning
flags in order to easily, and it is quite easily done, rectify them or put it
on the agenda to rectify them down the line, seems to me a very old paradigm to
work from. I certainly understand not letting the "perfect be the enemy of the
good" when there are so many real "enemies", but as my last comment on this,
this would seem to fall more under
"but we are practicing what we preach in the p2p foundation, with difficulty,
with problems, but attempting it nevertheless" -- Michel
In essence, it is this discussion that makes me feel that's true, not in not
having it at all.
Really supportively meant, Michel,
June
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