I agree Anna, and also with Bob's and Tiberius' responses. 

In the Commons Transition website and books now we have already sets of 
alternative putting concrete proposals for transition through policy changes, 
but also movement and polity building perspectives. These provide a good and 
solid base to start taking the discussions further, in order to develop 
existing practical and analytical visions provided. This should happen bottom 
up. And for this what is crucial is to ceate autonomous and horizontal spaces 
where grassroots inventors from different networks can work out together, with 
but independent from generalizing theorists, strategists, and funders. This is 
crucial to be able to go on inventing and adding value on top the provided 
visions of transition. So creative development of strategies can be developed 
through wiki like modifications, or forking that provide totally different 
alternatives. So either, as Tiberius suggest, integrating people and tools that 
would function and covering the points you raise Anna, or based on the insights 
provided building a new vision or practice is possible. 

Again, what is really crucial in my humble opinion, is the fact that there has 
been intensifying convergences between many networks, ideas, research, practice 
and analyses, also between policy and action based approaches. This made 
individual and collective contributions merge to create an emerging picture of 
integrated networks of networks, in a way has the potential to grow over and 
dominate the existing mode of production. 

This has been happening exactly in parallel to the intensified good and bad 
happenings, as in greece, Spain, and Syria/Iraq/Ukraine, Asia-pasific, Africa 
and cyberia, with the unfolding of the systemic crisis. The challenge is now to 
make this happen: to practically work on networking variety of alternative 
modes of associated production, which are addressing similar tools and 
dynamics, cultures and so on, in a way reaching specific social purposes and 
targets become possible. Thinking of how to integrate tools and networks of 
Sensorica, cic, faircoop, mikorizal, gnlu, edu-factory, schools of commons, 
social strike,.. 

As Tiberius said, not everything will become parts of a universal machine like 
system, but a live and complex living organism that is part of Gaia, or cosmos 
we are part of. We won't all use Mikroizal, but might chose to modularly 
integrate various aspects, like production, learning, coop exchange, p2p 
insurance, so on of various alternatives to each other... while some of these 
forms focus on individual and enterprise, when implementing tools to network, 
others will focus on workers, some coops, elderly, children, land, money... 
Still not sure if it would work.. 

Yet one thing is sure, form the history, that created Lenin's, Stalin's, and 
many other elements of what Bogdanov called the "IntermediaryIntelligentsia"
"As early as 1906, in the third volume of his seminal work. Empiriomonizm, 
Bogdanov had certainly admitted the possibility that "in certain conditions" 
the "ideologues" of society might themselves acquire the status of an 
"organizing class" which would rule over the masses. However, in other works 
published before 1917 he had asked whether under capitalism the intelligentsia 
might acquire such a status and his answer had been in the negative. At most, 
he acknowledged that in certain historical periods when relations between 
competing social classes were in a state of equilibrium the intelligentsia 
might assert itself as an independent social group,"above class,"and he cited 
the example of the liberal faction aroundLe National in France in the 1840s, 
that of the "Legal Populists" in Russia during the 1890s, and that of the 
"Liberationists"of the 1900s. For Bogdanov, as a rule, however: The 
intermediary intelligentsia groups of society work ideologically not for 
themselves but for others and so they can in no way act as a determining force 
in pursuing the cultural tasks of our time."

Based on the above insight, taken form Bogdanov, I think it is really crucial 
that the working people, peer producers, commoners, who has the practical and 
intellectual ability to unify their mental and manual work, strategic and 
practical creative and innovative skills to determine how to design and realize 
the transition will take place. That is why I believe it is crucial not only 
for intellectuals, even for the sake of ruling classes' survival, we emphasis 
verbally and action wise the importance of networks and classes being the 
creators and vanguards of their own present and future politics. That is why we 
need to give special care and attention to create enabling spaces, channels, 
and tools for further empowerment of these alternatives and every potential 
individual who is needed to join and and give a hand in such empowerment by 
empowering themselves. 

Again as Tiberius calls, involvement of people like you, me, and all others in 
developing, designing, and implementing tools like Sensorica, faircoop, 
Mikroizal, GNLU, global square... is the thing. Any support from intermeridate 
intelligentsia, enabling ngos, civil society, partner state or other 
institutional perspectives are and can be really helpful to realize the 
transition, but as a secondary contribution. If we see the latter more 
important it means we already started to create possible future ruling classes.

Orsan 



> On 15 Feb 2015, at 15:41, Anna Harris <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> It is interesting to see the link between Sensorica as presented by Tiberius, 
> and the article sent in by Francine Maestrum. As I understand it, Sensorica 
> allows people to claim all the value they contribute, including adjustments 
> for reputation, through a value equation, endorsed by all participants. Very 
> appealing for those who have something to contribute, and offers an 
> alternative to the capitalist economy which thrives on extracting surplus 
> value.
> 
> Francine is wanting to provide for those who for whatever reason can't 
> contribute as part of that innovative model of production. And perhaps we 
> should ask - shouldn't that be part of the model? What happens in Sensorica 
> when there is sickness or accidents? Child care? Elderly relatives? Need a 
> holiday? Those with disabilities? Perhaps this was mentioned and I missed it. 
> 'Fairness' is not as simple as an algorithm which rewards on the basis of 
> contribution. Some may benefit If they remain fit and well. But it seems 
> pretty precarious if there is no support to fall back on when they are not. 
> 
> Calling something a commons doesn't just mean that something is available to 
> all, it also means making sure that people have the ability to take advantage 
> of that availability. In this new society we have to find a way to care for 
> each other to ensure that we don't just reproduce a system which enables some 
> to prosper, while others suffer.
> 
> Anna
> 
> 
> On 13 Feb 2015, at 21:45, Orsan <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bob! 
> 
> We were discussing manual-mental labour division, thinkers and doers, economy 
> and politics. I just want to recommend everyone to take time and look in to 
> Mikorizal and watch the below video, from Tiberius of Sensorica.
> 
> http://mikorizal.org/groups.html
> 
> http://youtu.be/Ixgp8_B9g5A
> 
> Direction of possible fusion between open value networking, open coops, like 
> fair.coop, multi stakeholder cooperatives and the unionism I have been 
> promoting bears the potential of overcoming those divisions. we better get 
> ready for the scaling up of unifying political-economies in form of polity as 
> well. If Syriza can find a way to facilitate such transformation it has a 
> chance. Podemos in Spain is closer, though both have some disadvantages. In 
> case they can envisage and open a path to, some thing can be called, Internet 
> of Emancipatory Everything we might have a chance to stand together before 
> both big capitalist class or rising dark Internet of Everything as the latest 
> stage of capitalism. 
> 
> Orsan
> 
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