Quote below from 1999, N. Dyer-Witheford's Cyber-Marx (pp. 3-7), is more then 
worth to recall here:

"Marx and Babbage

To establish some of the issues and conflicts central to this study it may be 
useful for a moment to look back in the past, to the `actual' Babbage and Marx. 
In fact, the  opposition between Babbage--capitalist-computer-savant--and 
Marx--insurrectionary revolutionary--which Gibson and Sterling propose is well 
founded in the historical archive. Although Babbage's pioneer attempts to 
develop machine intelligence collapsed, partly because of the limits of 19th 
century engineering, partly because of his managerial conflicts with the 
craft-workers crucial to the production of the "engines," his influence was far 
in excess of that normally associated with a failed inventor. As Simon Schaffer 
has recently shown, Babbage was an eminent member of a coterie of radical 
utilitarian thinkers, including such figures as the political economist Andrew 
Ure, the philosopher Jeremy Bentham and his brother Samuel, and industrialists 
such as Marc Brunel and Henry Maudsley, all dedicated to the scientific 
organisation of a nascent industrial capitalism.3

Indeed, Babbage himself wrote a book in this tradition of Ricardian political 
economy --- On The Economy of Machinery and Manufactures--which in its argument 
for the deskilling and fragmentation of labour is now recognised as 
anticipating Frederick Taylor's system of "scientific management."4 Babbage's 
search for mechanical means to automate labour--both manual and mental--were 
the logical extension of the desire to reduce and eventually eliminate from 
production a human factor whose presence could only appear to the new 
industrialists as a source of constant indiscipline, error and menace. And this 
in turn was only part of wider project of industrial planning which foresaw the 
society-wide mobilisation of theoretical knowledge in the service of 
manufacture, overseen by a "new class of managerial analysts," such as Babbage 
himself, who would become "the supreme legislators of social welfare" and be 
rewarded with "newfangled life peerages and political power."5 In such schemes, 
the mechanical maximisation of capitalist profit mercifully coincided with the 
highest theological aspirations, for Babbage believed that, "machine 
intelligence was all that was needed to understand and model the rule of God, 
whether based on the miraculous works of the Supreme Intelligence or on his 
promise of an afterlife."6

Marx, Babbage's contemporary, read his work. And what he found in its pages was 
not evidence of the ineluctable march of progress, or an approach to divine 
wisdom, but a strategy of class war. Writing in London, within living memory of 
the Luddite revolts that had seen hundreds hanged or transported and vast 
sections of England subject to martial law, Marx analysed the introduction of 
machinofacture as a means by which the bourgeoisie strove to subjugate a 
recalcitrant proletariat. He alludes to Babbage's writings in the great chapter 
of Capital --"Machinery and Large Scale Industry"--where he describes how the 
factory owners' relentless transfer of workers' skills into technological 
systems gives class conflict the form of a "struggle between worker and 
machine."7 He cites, as evidence of the political economist's technological 
strategy, the work of Babbage's colleague, Ure, who in the conclusion to his 
1835 The Philosophy of Manufactures declared "when capital enlists science into 
her service, the refractory hand of labour will always be taught docility."8 
"It would be possible" Marx observes, "to write a whole history of the 
inventions made since 1830 for the sole purpose of providing capital with 
weapons against working class revolt."9

Later, in a section of volume three of Capital entitled "Economy Through 
Inventions," Marx again footnotes Babbage. Commenting on capital's 
ever-increasing use of machines, he notes that "mechanical and chemical 
discoveries" are actually the result of a social co-operative process that he 
calls "universal labour":

Universal labour is all scientific work, all discovery and invention. It is 
brought about partly by the co-operation of men now living, but partly also by 
building on earlier work.10

The fruits of this collective project are, Marx argues, generally appropriated 
by the "most worthless and wretched kind of money-capitalists."11 But the 
ultimate source of their profit is the "new developments of the universal 
labour of the human spirit and their social applications by combined labour."12

Marx had already discussed this tension between the social nature of 
technoscientific development and its private expropriation by capital--in the 
final pages of the notebooks for Capital, the Grundrisse. Here, he again makes 
passing reference to Babbage as, in some of the most volcanically brilliant of 
all Marx's writing, he foretells the future technological trajectory of 
capitalism.13 At a certain point, Marx predicts, capital's drive to dominate 
living labour through machinery will mean that "the creation of real wealth 
comes to depend less on labour time and on the amount of labour employed" than 
on "the general state of science and on the progress of technology."14 The key 
factor in production will become the social knowledge necessary for 
technoscientific innovation-- "general intellect."15

Marx points in particular to two technological systems whose full development 
will mark the era of "general intellect"--automatic machinery, which, he 
predicts, will all but eliminate workers from the factory floor, and the global 
networks of transport and consolidation binding together the world market. With 
these innovations, Marx says, capital will appear to attain an unassailable 
pinnacle of technoscientific power. However- -and this is the whole point of 
Marx's analysis--inside this bourgeois dream lie the seeds of  a bourgeois 
nightmare. For by setting in motion the powers of scientific knowledge and 
social co-operation capital undermines the basis of its own rule. Automation, 
by massively reducing the need for labour, will subvert the wage relations--the 
basic institution of capitalist society. And the profoundly social qualities of 
the new technoscientific systems-- so dependent for their invention and 
operation on forms of collective, communicative, co- operation--will overflow 
the parameters of private property. The more technoscience is applied to 
production, the less sustainable will become the attachment of income to labour 
and the containment of creativity within the commodity form. In the era of 
general intellect "capital thus works towards its own dissolution as the form 
dominating production."16

Babbage and Marx were alike prophets of today's information society. But their 
prophecies are radically opposed--one promising the technoscientific 
consolidation of market relations, the other the dissolution of that rule. Both 
spoke, as befits nineteenth century men of science, in tones of confident 
certainty. After the catastrophes and surprises of the twentieth century, such 
teleological certainty should no longer be available to any one. Nevertheless, 
the predictions of both Babbage and Marx are alive and well today, present as 
vectors of struggle, antagonistic potentialities meeting in a collision that I 
term `the contest for general intellect.'

But surely this must be a joke? Are not Marx and Marxism now so thoroughly 
discredited, so fatally consigned to the dustbin of a history which has itself 
been dispatched to postmodernist on-screen trash-cans, that any attempt to 
re-invoke their memory can only be an exercise in speculative dreaming or 
historical nostalgia? Since Marxism, assailed from all quarters, is generally 
deemed to have died the death of a thousand cuts it is important, at the very 
outset, to take difference with this prevailing view." 


O.

> On 19 jun. 2015, at 10:58, peter waterman <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Woops! I originally addressed this only to Michel. Pls forward to anyone I 
> may have missed out!
> 
> P
> 
> 2014. From Coldwar Communism to the Global Justice Movement: Itinerary of a 
> Long-Distance Internationalist. 
> http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/from_coldwar_communism 
> _to_the_global_emancipatory_movement/ (Free). 
> 2014. Interface Journal Special (Co-Editor), December 2014. 'Social Movement 
> Internationalisms'. (Free).
> 2014. 'The Networked Internationalism of Labour's Others', in Jai Sen (ed), 
> Peter Waterman (co-ed), The Movement of Movements: Struggles for Other Worlds 
>  (Part I). (10 Euros).
> 2012. EBook: Recovering Internationalism.  [A compilation of papers from the 
> new millenium. Now free in two download formats]
> 2013. EBook (co-editor), February 2013: World Social Forum: Critical 
> Explorations http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/world_social_forum/
> 2012. Interface Journal Special (co-editor), November 2012: For the Global 
> Emancipation of Labour 
> 2005-? Ongoing. Blog: http://www.unionbook.org/profile/peterwaterman.???. 
> Needed: a Global Labour Charter Movement (2005-Now!)
> 2011. Under, Against, Beyond: Labour and Social Movements Confront a 
> Globalised, Informatised Capitalism (2011) (c. 1,000 pages of Working Papers, 
> free, from the 1980's-90's).
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: peter waterman <[email protected]>
> Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [NetworkedLabour] Internet Social Forum
> To: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
> 
> 
> My two-cents worth in this exchange:
> 
> Whereas it may not be only technology that defines us as human, it is the 
> case that the subtraction of technology would return us to the stone age.
> 
> I repeat a quote from the US left feminist, Donna Haraway, 'I'd rather be a 
> cyborg than a goddess'. 
> 
> I have not re-read Haraway since her 'Cyborg Manifesto' first came to my 
> notice, a couple of decades ago. But it should surely be a point of reference 
> for any serious consideration of ICT and social emancipation. It can be found 
> here:
> 
> http://www.egs.edu/faculty/donna-haraway/articles/donna-haraway-a-cyborg-manifesto/
> 
> Best,
> 
> P
> 
> 2014. From Coldwar Communism to the Global Justice Movement: Itinerary of a 
> Long-Distance Internationalist. 
> http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/from_coldwar_communism 
> _to_the_global_emancipatory_movement/ (Free). 
> 2014. Interface Journal Special (Co-Editor), December 2014. 'Social Movement 
> Internationalisms'. (Free).
> 2014. 'The Networked Internationalism of Labour's Others', in Jai Sen (ed), 
> Peter Waterman (co-ed), The Movement of Movements: Struggles for Other Worlds 
>  (Part I). (10 Euros).
> 2012. EBook: Recovering Internationalism.  [A compilation of papers from the 
> new millenium. Now free in two download formats]
> 2013. EBook (co-editor), February 2013: World Social Forum: Critical 
> Explorations http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/world_social_forum/
> 2012. Interface Journal Special (co-editor), November 2012: For the Global 
> Emancipation of Labour 
> 2005-? Ongoing. Blog: http://www.unionbook.org/profile/peterwaterman.???. 
> Needed: a Global Labour Charter Movement (2005-Now!)
> 2011. Under, Against, Beyond: Labour and Social Movements Confront a 
> Globalised, Informatised Capitalism (2011) (c. 1,000 pages of Working Papers, 
> free, from the 1980's-90's).
> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Ariel Salleh <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Michel, it is profoundly telling that you believe ”the use of technology is 
>>> what defines being human”.
>> 
>> yes indeed, I don't think that before the use of stone tools, humanity was 
>> that different from other primates .. many other animals use tools, but none 
>> develop it so crucially as humanity, hence, the absurdity of 
>> 'anti-technology' stances, as the discussion can only be, 'what technology, 
>> and for whom'. One legitimate stance is to 'halt' technology (more or less), 
>> as a conscious choice, to protect community for example, as with the Amish. 
>> Or to actively return to a earlier stage, as the neoprimitivists want, and 
>> while it is true some of them (john zerzan I believe)  see the 'original 
>> fall' in the technology of language, it seems to me a very absurd 
>> proposition to attempt to abolish it.
>> 
>> Michel
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org  
>> 
>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net 
>> 
>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>> 
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> 
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