Stacco has the links from the commonstransition.org site, here's what we have on CLT's on the p2p wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Community_Land_Trusts
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Pat Conaty < [email protected]> wrote: > HI Apostolis and Miche > > Good points below. I have been providing some info on JAK interest free > banks on another smaller list than this today. Michel you may wish to > transcribe these points onto the plan. > > The JP Narayan work in India I mentioned was a huge non-violent civil > disobedience movement against Indira Gandhi in the 1960s and 1970s. The > Community Land Trust movements in the USA, UK and Canada and now also > Belgium originally at source sprung out of the US civil rights movement in > the South from 1968. Once again back to King’s last book on Where do we go > from here? During 1967 when this book was written, I was young and 250 dead > American were being brought back in body bags each week from Vietnam and > most working class kids black, brown and white. > > Bob Swann a war resister was a key leader then of alternative economic > practices and had direct contact with the Gandhian land reformers in India > in the 1970s who were their inspiration and they also were working with > Ralph Borsodi who was in India helping Narayan and the focus in India and > thereafter in the USA was on the development of co-operative revolving loan > funds and on the Constant currency. > > Borsodi is an amazing character who was working on CLTs in the 1930s > during the Great Depression. The Decentralist Manifesto he and others put > together in the 1950s is worth looking at. Also Fritz Schumacher was a > close friend of Bob Swann and the Institute for Community Economics in the > USA set up by Swann and Borsodi. ICE was hugely important in innovating > co-operative land and co-operative finance solutions. > > But few mainstream socialists know anything at all about this really > practical non-violent groups of peace makers who are all are part of a > decentralising socialist tradition. Indeed all commoners! > > I have just put up a series of articles on the CLTs and how to establish > them practically. Stacco or Michel can share the link. But these short > articles could be useful to those in Greece if you want to translate the > material. > > Remember the land question and the money questions are both taboo. But we > simply have to provide practical step by step pathways and answers to find > peaceful economic democracy solutions for commoners. The partner state will > be crucial. Hence why I emphasise the guild socialist tradition. Syriza > could assist here but they need to get to grips with policy and practice > aspects and especially with the news that their central committee has said > No to the Eurogroup plan and demands. > > All the best > > Pat > > > > On 15 Jul 2015, at 16:34, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <[email protected]> > wrote: > > There are 3 things that can be done. > > a) Ripple : An electronic payment system independent of the current banks > that can provide liquidity to the market. No need for Banks nor for cash > for the market to work. > > b) Open Value Network: The development of the OVN model to as many > economic sectors as possible. Specifically, the transfer of state-owned > property to local non-profit organizations (the members of which are the > local community), that act as custodians to that property, allowing that > property to be used as in the OVN model. Greece has a lot of state-owned > property that is not used. > > c) The creation of a capital accumulation fund for the OVNs. Pat Conaty > has made proposals on this with regards to cooperatives. I propose the > implementation of Ryaki, my proposal, since it is a much better, if not the > best possible, solution. > > 2015-07-15 14:50 GMT+03:00 Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>: > >> personally, I believe that extractive models are inappropriate for the >> survival of our planet, and I would like to see corporate reform towards >> generative models, >> >> this would suggest a double strategy: >> >> * direct support for not-for-profit entities that directly co-produce >> commons and integrate negative externalities >> >> * corporate reforms that limit the damage of negative externalities at >> for-profit corporations >> >> Move towards commoning in extractive corporations is a progress, to the >> degree they can also affect the extractive purpose, but if they only serve >> intensified extraction, that would be problematic, >> >> Michel >> >> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:11 PM, George Pór <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Michel, would that be that there's no room for-profits in the Plan C or, >>> more broadly, in the Commons Transitions? I doubt that that's what you >>> meant, >>> >>> But if there's, wouldn't help if workers there too learn working without >>> bosses? >>> >>> george >>> >>> George Pór >>> Fellow, Future Considerations >>> Fellow of Royal Society fr the Arts >>> Visiting Professor, Management Center Innsbruck >>> Founder and Co-editor of Enlivening Edge: >>> News from Next-Stage Organizations >>> >>> researcher in collective intelligence and wisdom >>> evolutionary thinker, social architect, and integral mentor >>> <http://community-intelligence.com/integral-mentoring/> >>> to leaders and changemakers in business, government, and civil society >>> >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Mobile: +44 7780 181 865 >>> Skype: georgepor >>> LinkedIn: uk.linkedin.com/in/georgepor >>> Twitter: @Technoshaman >>> Web: http://futureconsiderations.com/who/team/core/george/ >>> Publications: https://independent.academia.edu/GeorgeP%C3%B3r >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> agreed, buurtzorg is different than a classic forprofit entity (with >>>> extractive I mean that, not mining <g>) >>>> >>>> please go head by asking James, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:04 PM, George Pór <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> hi Michel, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> i have not read the book but my impression is that it is exclusively >>>>>> focused on entities that have extractive practices ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure. >>>>> >>>>> Most of them have nothing to do the extensive extraction of natural >>>>> resources, unless we include all organizations, who are using products or >>>>> services whose the ingredients were ultimately extracted from the Earth, >>>>> after a long chain of of intermediate companies >>>>> >>>>> For example. the book features a Buurtzorg, a self-managed community >>>>> nursing organizations in the Netherlands. It's worth a read. >>>>> >>>>> Btw, the "Plan C for Advancing the Commons Transition in Greece" >>>>> seems to be more important and urgent than ever, given the vacuum that >>>>> rift <http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33531845> in the >>>>> "institutions' may deepen. >>>>> >>>>> Shouldn't we ask Quilligan to give Plan C a hand? >>>>> >>>>> george >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetworkedLabour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour >> >> > > > -- > > > , > > Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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