Dear Tord, Here is an 2013 article and links of three practical projects hope that gives a broader perspective:
Another World, Now! Coming of the Transnational Revolutions and the Networked Prince: http://www.academia.edu/5179504/Another_World_Now_Coming_of_the_Transnational_Revolutions_and_the_Networked_Prince This is [CoDe]Proletkult: http://www.networkedlabour.net/ - CoDe stands for cooperative and collaborative development of the self- co- learning platform in order to produce and expand de-proletarian culture of the classless society, as much as possible. And this is an counter 'operational research' unit to build and strengthen operational work for change: http://www.networkedlabour.net/ networkedlabour list is the currently most active aspect feeding in generative exchange. Finally the GNUnion as a global networked labour union: https://gnunion.wordpress.com/ it is designed as an organisational tool for those enslaved by global IT companies like Google, Facebook, Amazon, gameing companies and call centers. so these are where and how I see Bogdanov's work and vision be more than helpful. best, Orsan On 28 July 2015 at 17:07, Tord Björk <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting perspectives both in terms of practical organizing of a > movement, proletkult, and theoretically. There seems to be quite much > underbenteath the surface produced by the institutionalized left and their > state-centric tendencies. > > Yet some smaller notions can be added in relation to both the text and in > general the way the left discuss societal matters at the moment. > > 1. The comments made by Tompsett putting Bogdanovs ideas into historical > perspective by placing it in relation to the English revolution lacks one > fundamental example emerging out of this revolution somewhat later. Tompsett > sees the company, the commando based army and local commons (or if I > understand the text correctly - local communities digging up commons stolen > by the rich and sow corns" as the primary examples of organizational > differenciations during the revolution. > > This fits well into a dominant strand today focusing upon local change > either in terms of subcommandant Marcos talking about pockets of > resistanceand change, the theory or ideology of horizontalism or Anglo > American transition town concepts. Change as something occurring locally and > then connecting to each other. > > I have not been reading Bogdanov so I do not know if this fits well with his > theories, he himself was referring to the Paris Commune according to the > text which can be claimed to be none of the examples given by Tompsett as 8 > hours working Day and electoral rights were included among the demands pout > forward, very much in line with the global demands carried forward first by > Australian workers in 1856 if I remember right and then spread globally with > such methods as global actions Days on May 1st. > > My claim is that "Commons based Exemplary Laboratory" is not compareable to > the innovation of the company or the commando based army. Thus we still > become helpless by using Bogdanov this way. > > More to the point I would say is the notion of the association and the mass > organization of commoners which was also an innovation, first in England and > then in Ireland. This social innovation scared those in power as it was not > built on personal relationships in terms of being excepted in person by > someone above but in terms of personal commitment to a common cause. In > principle the association could with other words become a new society once > it is able to fulfil most or all peoples needs. The emergence of > associations has mainly been seen in the light of benevolent associations to > stop slave trade and similar causes, somewhat racist and imperialistic way > of placing history in the hands of nations in power rather than the > simultaneous slave rebellions and pirate communities that spearheaded much > of the popular movement social change in later centuries. Still the > association is of importance, especially when the Irish turns it into a mass > mobilizing tool in the early 19th century against the British and after this > such movements as trade unions, peasant organization or lets say Proletkult. > Today we have such movements as Via Campesina while many have been absorbed > by state centrism or the project funding market more accountable to the > state or funders than to the members. > > 2. There seems to me to that many intellectuals are looking at hot spots in > history or geographically rather than trying to look at more general trends. > My point of view in Sweden which is not a country were much is going on at > the moment although the trend to emphasize exemplatory local projects has > been dominating since mid 1980s. What Tompsett brings forward from Mexico > was standard procedure in Nordic countries from 1844 and onwards. Grundtvig > started a rebellion in Denmark against what was called "black pedagogy" and > a mass movement emerged able of establishing maybe a thousand peoples high > schools in all Nordic countries, mainly on the country side and often linked > to the workers, abolitionist or peasant movement being able to promote > something in line with Proletkult. One can say somethings about the > limitations of this mass movement that simultaneously developed huge > cooperatives building local chapters in every corner of the Nordic > countries. Today there are some attempts in similar direction. But my main > point here is that the way to claim only hot spots as interesting and pull > them out of a common history of very similar development earlier of > simultaneously will not bring us forward. Especially problematic are at > least two things. By lacking empirical and theoretical concept that at least > to some degree places different experiences into a common perspective by > only looking at hot spots it will be hard to find what is really new. The > other aspect is the risk of romanticizing the "exemplatory project". Among > quite a few intellectuals today is seems very popular to criticize state > centric models, but equally important is to not fall into the trap of > avoiding to see how project, networking an horizontalism easily becomes > trapped in market relationships or at least non-democratic informal power > relationships. > > 3. Bogdanov seems interesting as he is both ecologically, organisationally > and social aware, something quite uncommon. Thanks for sharing the text. > > Tord Björk > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Örsan Şenalp <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This essay uses Bogdanov’s Tektology, or organisational science to >> compare three forms of organisation: Bourgeois corporation, the >> Soldier-peasant army and the Exemplary laboratory and their role as >> competing organisational forms offering market-based, command-based >> and commons-based approaches to social organisation. Bogdanov’s role >> as an educational innovator is compared with that of Gustavo Esteva, >> and both are linked to the exemplary-laboratory organisation as a way >> of combining learning with the commons. One outcome of Bogdanov’s >> approach which is featured is that of Vladimir Vernadsky, the >> Ukrainian bio-geochemist who discovered the role of man and other >> living creatures in the generation of CO >> 2 in the atmosphere. This reflects the strengths of Bogdanov’s >> Tektology as way of approaching sustainability, which at the same time >> fits with a commons-based innovative approach rooted in a dynamic >> around autonomy and mutuality. >> >> >> http://www.academia.edu/10149629/Bogdanov_s_Organisational_Science_the_Commons_and_Sustainability >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ** WSFDiscuss is an open and unmoderated forum for the exchange of >> information and views on the experience, practise, and theory of the World >> Social Forum at any level (local, national, regional, and global) and on >> related social and political movements and issues. 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