reference to one of the books mentioned by pat: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/book-of-the-day-scaling-up-the-convergence-of-social-economy-and-sustainability/2015/07/25
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Pat Conaty < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Michel and Paul > > What a great exchange. Congratulations Paul on your fabulous Guardian > essay about Post Capitalism. I very much look forward to getting your next > book in a few days. > > On the movement from theory into new solidarity economy practices that > unites with the commons (happening increasingly now) and could revive > co-operative commonwealth missions, you might find this short report of > interest Paul. It was from a two day event held in Berlin last summer. The > concept of Open Co-operativism as we explored together, examines some of > the contours of a new engaged and practical strategy and may make solid > sense to you Paul. > > > http://www.onthecommons.org/magazine/the-promise-of-co-ops-connecting-with-the-commons > > Lots more to develop on this but we think this is a starter for 10. But > other things are appearing……. > > For example, Co-operatives UK has just published the Co-operative > Advantage based on three years of research work into co-operative > innovation. Here is an Huffington post piece by Ed Mayo plus an overview of > some of the books contents. > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ed-mayo/the-case-for-economic-coo_b_7702264.html > > http://www.thenews.coop/96721/news/general/co-operative-advantage/ > > In Canada a similar book is soon to be published connected the green > economy and the solidarity economy in work that John Restakis, Mike Lewis > on this list and I have been involved with. This work in Canada has also > been evolving over the past several years and good practice is all there > but too much below the radar screen. > > Robin Murray’s book, Co-operatives in the Age of Google. actually began to > kick off much of this thinking four years ago and his proposal for > public-social partnerships as the push back to public-private partnerships > is a helpful reconceptualisation. But within the social partnership one > would include many smaller businesses and also ways and means to tackle the > problems of the precariat through organising mutuals and trade unions for > the self-employed. > > We just held a successful couple of events at the TUC in London that > explored trade union and co-operatives collaboration. Both events over the > past month had a fantastic feel about them as if we could forge soon a new > wave. > > Like you Paul, several of us on this list have been in Barcelona and > Athens speaking in recent months and we have grassroots contacts > internationally that really get this new way of looking at problems and > transformative solutions. > > Love to meet up Paul. Let us keep talking and thinking about how do we > galvanise things. > > As the Welsh socialist Raymond Williams put it: ‘Our job is to make hope > more concrete and despair less convincing!' > > Pat Conaty > Research Associate > Co-operatives UK > > > On 27 Jul 2015, at 09:15, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Paul for this intervention, some remarks inline, but first: > > Your proposals are very ambitious, perhaps too much so so early in the > game ? This is why my own proposals are still more focused on getting an > actual commons economics off the ground in civil society, so that the > public sector can start paying attention! > > But of course, I am sure many people here are very grateful that you are > pushing this, and if you can find an ear for these ambitious undertakings > that would be a tremendous step forward! > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Paul Mason <[email protected]> wrote: > >> As people may know from my book Postcapitalism, I think there are several >> areas we can innovate p2p into at once. >> >> 1. The accurate modelling, using agent based models, of capitalist >> reality - so as to be able to design the transition virtually. That is: >> suppose the Welsh Assembly opted for a 50 year transition programme to >> sustainable post-capitalist economics. How would they validate it? So >> that's my #1 >> > > I copy Louis-David Benyaher of open models for eventual input. > > Here is a quite advanced modelling project I discovered in Ecuador: > http://p2pfoundation.net/Multi-Scale_Integrated_Analysis_of_Societal_and_Ecosystem_Metabolism > > and we're keeping track of modelling, metrics, accounting methodoligies > here at http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Accounting > > Paul, any updates on your side would be welcome, > > > >> >> 2. The design of regulation. So, for example, in places where basic >> income is being tried out - how did the regulatory process work? How did it >> interact with unpredictable reality? What aspects of capitalist commercial >> law lie in wait as obstacles? >> > > Is anyone doing this ? I'm only aware of initiatives like Sharelex in > Europe, SELC in the U.S. and perhaps Neal Gorenflo and Christian Iaione > are following this in their urban work ? > > on our wiki we use http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Law, > http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_State_Approaches, > http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Public_Services > > >> 3. Remodelling of business processes. Right now everyone is throwing at >> me Uber and AirBnB as examples of why p2p does not have to erode >> capitalism. I would like to throw back at them a working design for >> creating non-rent seeking, collaborative alternatives to - say - Uber that >> a city government could facilitate. With AirBnB, for example, where local >> governments have intervened to tax transactions and require registration as >> tourist landlord etc, what is the optimal level of intervention that >> diverts the surplus rent from AirBnB into a recyclable tax that benefits >> society? >> > > > copying Simon Sarazin of encommuns.org who has been thinking of > public-commons interaction more consistently (details of what they are > doing in Lille: > http://p2pfoundation.net/100_Women_Who_Are_Co-Creating_the_P2P_Society#Interviews_completed_so_far > ) > > > > >> >> 4. Physical space. The more physical spaces that can be run along p2p >> principles - or with a pro-p2p social dimension - the more chance there is >> of achieving critical mass in a locality. Eisenstein points out that the >> print shop of the 15c was a meeting place for all the disciplines that >> would build capitalism - printer, scholar, scientist, artist, store owner, >> radical thinker, skilled worker - what would the equivalent be now? >> > > Definitely, this is what the open source third places are doing today !! > > The best people monitoring this are french, > https://www.facebook.com/groups/tilios/ > > Dear Charles, could you share the excerpt that Paul is referring to just > above ? > > > >> That's my two pennyworth this morning. >> Paul Mason >> Economics Editor, Channel 4 News >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> >>> Date: Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: Continuing to fill in the context >>> >>> >>> I'll share my perspective on this, which may not be that of the others >>> copied in, >>> >>> my first inclination today is that the focus needs to be on constructing >>> commons, immaterial and material, everywhere we can, and to create vehicles >>> so that this allows the creation of livelihoods and the self-reproduction >>> of the commoners. While the struggle between labor and capital remains a >>> reality as long as the current political economy dominates, I think >>> personally that all struggles that focus on bringing more labor into >>> subordinate working relations in view of redistribution, are no longer >>> operative, and that we must focus on counter-economic networks, with >>> decommodified cooperative labor co-constructing commons. This means, as >>> first suggested by Pat Conaty on this list, to create a in-between between >>> the commons and capital, i.e. to focus on cooperative accumulation. But >>> that cooperative accumulation can no longer be merely a coop that competes >>> on the capitalist marketplace, but a coop that co-produces commons, and >>> works with non-capitalist capital in a non-capitalist market. This means >>> concretely working on the creation of entrepreneurial coalitions that are >>> co-dependent and organized around the commons that they are co-creating. >>> >>> Concretely, at the territorial level, this looks like what Stephanie >>> Rearick is doing in Madison, >>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/100-women-who-are-co-creating-the-p2p-society-stephanie-rearick-of-the-mutual-aid-network/2015/07/18, >>> or what Marion Rousseaux is trying to do in Lille with Encommuns.org >>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/100-women-who-are-co-creating-the-p2p-society-marion-rousseaux-on-the-commons-in-lille-france/2015/07/25, >>> i.e. create interlocking value chains for the cooperative commonwealth, at >>> the local or the translocal level. >>> >>> At the more 'trans-national' level, this means a direct focus on the >>> creation of phyles, i.e. ethical, 'generative' business networks that >>> sustain a community and its commons. This means projects like >>> lasindias.net, enspiral, ethos, and others. (marty, you'll find >>> descriptions of all those in the p2pfoundation.net wiki, via the search >>> box on the top right) >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Marty Heyman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi to the others on the list. >>>> >>>> My quibble, such as it is, is that Capital (Finance) pervades and >>>> largely controls … especially “the conversation.” A program to reverse its >>>> enclosures of the economic, political, and social spheres would appear to >>>> need a core of equally committed and motivated strategists with the >>>> resources to create a contrary “movement” to mobilize wealth, power, and >>>> public sentiment. Absent the “Davos” of anti-Capitalism (most importantly >>>> it’s “core team”), I don’t know how to unseat them and their “system.” >>>> >>>> We need to continue to educate me on the philosophical underpinnings of >>>> terms like “the common good”. Language that feels like it pits “the common >>>> good” against “the private good” most broadly seem overly broad. Certainly >>>> the “common good” is the aggregate of the “private good”(s) of some >>>> collection of persons (and institutions). The usage here seems to want to >>>> exclude the “private good” of Finance, Capital, and Corrupt Politics …but >>>> such distinctions are hard to draw accurately as the Commons (Co-operative) >>>> and Solidarity movements rely heavily on Capital from somewhere for seed >>>> money. >>>> >>>> Finally, not all the “Externalities” lead to desertification and >>>> useless waste. Vast bodies of code, design, and other technological >>>> artifacts are abandoned by Capital and Finance to our “Digital Commons”. I >>>> often think of Open Source Software as much a vast scrap-heap of discarded >>>> and abandoned code as I do a bazaar or innovation. There is too much >>>> redundant, self-gratifying “Innovation” and not enough refinement of the >>>> material already just sitting there waiting to be improved. I think, >>>> ultimately, we are seeing much the same with agricultural lands in climate >>>> zones considered non-optimal for industrial agriculture. Opportunities >>>> abound for self-directed, democratically governed initiatives and ventures >>>> IMHO. >>>> >>>> — >>>> Marty Heyman >>>> 510-290-6484 >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetworkedLabour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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