Just replied to Anna's email in a way to think towards this direction. I think 
seeing and organizing our selves in which ever form, name, or category it is 
really important to see all as equally important parts of self-organizing 
universe, and steer our efforts through 'progressive selection'   and 
conjunction, using concepts of Tektology, and here comes in p2p as superior 
organizing principle that can help to connect the dual power  -lets say in a 
'progressive' way; hopefully resulting in more ingression for anti-exploitative 
and emancipatory forms systemically aiming disorganization of capitalistic and 
oppressive elements maintaining survival of capitalist mode of production or 
world system.

Orsan



On 09 Aug 2015, at 10:36, peter waterman <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Excellent basis for further discussion!
> 
> I thought it was going to go overboard with the Venezuelan case before it 
> made its critique of it. And one has to note that his 'best' cases are those 
> in which the state-nation level has not been reached. In other words, the 
> Zapatista and Rojava models are those of small isolated communities, not yet 
> confronted with the Venezuela Problem.
> 
> Further, I agree with his critique of the 'partner-state' model, my previous 
> criticism of this resting at the level of the concept alone - which stuck in 
> my gullet. 
> 
> I'll be interested to see Michel's response.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Orsan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Commons' Movements & “Progressive” Governments as Dual Power : The Potential 
>> for Social Transformation in Europe by Antonis Broumas
>> 
>> https://www.academia.edu/14169439/Commons_Movements_and_Progressive_Governments_as_Dual_Power_The_Potential_for_Social_Transformation_in_Europe
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