Can someone please explain the term 'truly Israeli' price which Paola Manduca introduced, and has been repeated by Tord?
Thanks Anna > On 19 Sep 2015, at 16:52, Tord Björk <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am concerned about several of Orsans contributions on the list recently and > especially some of the follow up comments. > > Firstly there is a lack of understanding how concepts come about seeing them > as introduced from outside from some far away place which we cannot > influence. This focus upon some other influencing us is at the same time > putting out of the picture actual power relations inside the movement and how > these power relations are shaped by social and other relations in daily life. > It becomes more important to tell the world all the acronyms and institutions > we know about the mass produced concepts imposed upon us to show off how > important we are knowing all these foreign actors and thinkers - WEF, > Bilderberg, Trilateral commission, Roundtable of European Industrialists, ICC > (International Chamber of Commerce), WBCSD (World Business Council for > Sustainable development) to name a few. > > Some of these concepts are clearly there to destroy the understanding of > popular movements as independent historical actors like NGO. But this concept > was not developed by some business interests , it was instead shaped in the > UN system as a negation of the only real actors, the states equally being > nations. It was no conspiracy as such but a result of the situational context > after WWII when movements were weak and states strong. Later market actors > have become stronger and the concept is even more useful to split up the > understanding of politik as a singular reducing it to the liberal > understanding that is no such thing a society, only contracts between > individuals and thus no such thing as politik, only politics in plural were > NGOs can compete on markets for funding or attention in different regard if > they split up the struggle in useful forms or content. To try to avoid > specific concepts due to claiming the correct defintion of the word can > sometimes be contraproductive, int he 1980s NGOs served in many Latin > SAmerican countries the only form of organization that could resist and > undermine the dictatorships and thus it was useful at the time. > > Social entrepreneur and the growing popularity of focusing upon what EU calls > social economy is of course to b questioned. But it is not only imposed from > above. In my small town in Southern Sweden it was used by the people high > school movement, a more than 150 year institution built by popular movements > to democratize society and seen in the light of the cooperative movement with > the same back ground. Cooperatives are still seen as crucial for social > change eg direct cooperation between farmers and consumers etc. At the same > time cooperatives has been questioned from the very first time they appeared, > at least of they were not fully independent, see Marx criticism of the Gotha > program. In Sweden it has been regularly a way to divert movement from > questioning the whole way the society os organized and giving them a role as > evolutionary "prefigurative" movement builders in a powerless corner of > society, certainly not imposed upon the movement from some Business think > tank but from inside the movement itself as way to move forward when mass > mobilization is lacking support. > > It may be true that today the speed and amount of new concept we have to > relate to can be seen as troublesome, but only if we start to focus more upon > what all these think tank says and less on what democratic social movements > carry forward. There is today less of to some degree independent popular > movement able to build their own political culture as mass media and project > funding destroys understanding of society as a whole. Yet the kind of > concepts Orsan criticises are temporary nad lack profound support in most > cases, to try to learn them all is a struggle in vain. > > The idea to understand what politics is about instead of looking for the > origin of concepts is to "follow the money". This simplistic way ends > sometimes up in the kind of misleading argument that we can understand what > WEF and social entreprenuerhip is about by knowing that WEF has been funded > by something called a "truly Israeli" price. We are then told that here we > have to find out more. > > The way the book Challening empires, the htiherto most seminal book on WSF, > was quite strongly structured in a way were the most severe criticism against > WSF was from some parts of the left arguing that were the money comes from > tells what WSF is about. Ford Foundation was a main example. This kind of > reasoning is limited. It may hold more important value than the criticism > against WEF, like when Marx claimed cooperatives had to be independent to be > of any use for the working class and not state funded. But in terms of WSF it > was a simplistic argument that carried very little weight as no > alternatives were shown that could be seen as without problems. > > So I think one should be aware of that the way movements use the concepts are > important and make people aware of possible differences and conflicts rather > than believing that what is important is to find out which outside forces has > been supporting which concepts. The left did this for many years concerning > the concept environment seeing it as imposed from outside to divert the > revolutionary struggle from the important social issues. Partly this was > probably true and yet so extremely misleading and a way to marginalize the > left rather then confronting capitalism wherever needed. > > Tord Björk > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Paola Manduca <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> there is a say in my country..follow the money... >> >> the capital for establishing the WEF is from a "truly Israeli" price. >> liberal or illiberal is not the point >> >> who decides and what is proposed and where the info goes are the points. On >> these one would like to know better >> >> stay well >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Orsan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> My point is, while I heard about the term 'social entrepreneurship' first >>> time in my life towards the end of 2000s, after the crisis; the dr. >>> strangelove, founding father of the top level elitist gathering of Davos, >>> against which WSF is launched, has been building his family foundation to >>> dedicate efforts to spread the word of 'social entrepreneurship' from >>> mountain summit to down. Schwab Foundation is a satellite completing >>> non-profit, social enterprise, had introduced the concept to the mortals >>> like you an me. >>> >>> The publication of Empire, by Negri and the other guy, in 1999, emergence >>> of micro credit networks, the spread of the idea of radical democratic >>> entrepreneurship becomes a hype in parallel to WSF. Then formation of ideas >>> around p2p, commons production, so on, surrounded by this concept which has >>> been propagated from the most top and linked through the grassroots by the >>> work of funded agencies, NGOs under the term that is becoming hype after >>> 2008 crisis. >>> >>> One can not avoid to see how the global agendas are set, the concepts are >>> spread, clash and get connected around the middle classes that are losing >>> ground, and most talented of those form start-ups, entrepreneur >>> communities, like co-working spaces so on so forth, and the rest are pushed >>> to real desperation. >>> >>> Orsan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 19 sep. 2015, at 08:22, Anna Harris <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Orsan, >>>> >>>> What are you trying to say with this bio of Schwab? >>>> >>>> Anna >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 00:33, Orsan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Professor Klaus Schwab is the Founder and Executive Chairman of the World >>>>> Economic Forum, an independent, impartial, not-for-profit Foundation >>>>> committed to improving the state of the world. Since its inception in >>>>> 1971, the Forum has become the world’s foremost multistakeholder >>>>> organization and has been a driver for reconciliation efforts in >>>>> different parts of the world, as well as the catalyst of numerous >>>>> public-private partnerships and international initiatives. See the >>>>> history page for more information. >>>>> >>>>> In 1998, Klaus Schwab and his wife Hilde created the Schwab Foundation >>>>> for Social Entrepreneurship, which seeks to identify, recognize and >>>>> disseminate initiatives in social entrepreneurship that have >>>>> significantly improved people’s lives and have the potential to be >>>>> replicated on a global scale. The Foundation supports a network of 200 >>>>> social entrepreneurs around the world. >>>>> >>>>> In 2004, Klaus Schwab established, with the financial contribution he >>>>> received as part of the Dan David Prize, a new foundation: the Forum of >>>>> Young Global Leaders (targeted at leaders below 40 years of age); and, in >>>>> 2011, he created the Global Shapers Community (targeted at potential >>>>> leaders between the ages of 20 and 30). The purpose of these two >>>>> foundations is to integrate young people as a strong voice for the future >>>>> into global decision-making processes and to stimulate young people to >>>>> engage in concrete projects that address social problems. >>>>> >>>>> Under the leadership of Klaus Schwab, the World Economic Forum also >>>>> established communities providing the best expertise and knowledge for >>>>> problem-solving. Among those communities is the Network of Global Agenda >>>>> Councils, comprising more than 1,500 of the most knowledgeable and >>>>> relevant experts related to over 80 global, regional and industry >>>>> challenges. >>>>> >>>>> The activities of the World Economic Forum comprise meetings that are >>>>> exclusively organized for its different communities and initiatives in >>>>> line with its mission of improving the state of the world. In the same >>>>> context, it also conducts research and produces reports. >>>>> >>>>> The Forum employs more than 500 people, with its headquarters in Geneva, >>>>> Switzerland, and additional offices in New York, Beijing and Tokyo. >>>>> >>>>> Professor Klaus Schwab holds two doctoral degrees, one in mechanical >>>>> engineering and one in economics and social sciences. He spent a year at >>>>> Harvard University and went on to be the youngest professor at the >>>>> University of Geneva. He has received numerous international and national >>>>> honours. >>>>> >>>>> Klaus and Hilde Schwab were married in 1971. He has always followed, >>>>> outside his work in the above foundations, a broad range of academic, >>>>> cultural and public service interests. He enjoys sports and is a regular >>>>> participant of the Engadin Cross-country Ski Marathon. The Schwabs have >>>>> two children and two grandchildren. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetworkedLabour mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ** WSFDiscuss is an open and unmoderated forum for the exchange of >>> information and views on the experience, practise, and theory of the World >>> Social Forum at any level (local, national, regional, and global) and on >>> related social and political movements and issues. 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