What's "a lot" of seeds?  If a million people download a particular 
file, is a lot a hundred?  A thousand?  The question is, why not a 
million seeds?  (The answer to that question is "because then a million 
people are vulnerable; better to only have a few high-risk people stick 
out their necks.")

My point is only a tiny fraction of total downloaders actually stick 
around as persistent seeds.  Maybe 1%?  0.1%?  That means somewhere 
between 99% and 99.9% of potential swarm capacity is thrown away in 
order to preserve the pirates' anonymity.

That's cool -- I'm not dissing bittorrent.  It's truly brilliant.  It's 
just designed for piracy.  That's fine -- the best technology often is. 
But let's not pretend otherwise.

-david

PS: The one possible explanation for the Bittorrent design that doesn't 
implicate it in catering to pirates is it's the only design that works 
in an open-source, multi-implementation environment where you generally 
can't trust your peers: tit-for-tat is built for a paranoid world and 
thus can survive when that world is reality.  I'm sure this design goal 
plays a factor.  But I suspect its legal protections are a much bigger 
reason for its widespread adoption.

Bill Mccormick wrote:
> On 3/11/08, David Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I agree a well-seeded torrent can be pretty quick.  But the
>> protocol/clients/users only seed for a very limited time, or not at all.
>> The result is most torrents are poorly seeded, and thus slower than
>> downloading from a well-provisioned webserver.  Said another way,
>> Bittorrent generally sacrifices speed in order to protect pirates.
>>
> 
> 
> -->  I'll check that one the next time I'm downloading a smaller
> torrent.   I have the impression that alot of seeds are long term
> persistant.   But no data to back it up yet.
> 
> Bill
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