> -----Original Message-----
> From: JiangXingFeng [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:04 PM
> To: 'Bruce Lowekamp'
> Cc: 'Dan Wing'; 'P2PSIP Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [P2PSIP] Choice of STUN peer or TURN peer
> 
> Hi, Bruce:
> 
> Sorry for late response. See inline. 
> 
> --
> Jiang XingFeng
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > > >
> > > >   TURN client         STUN server          NAT  TURN server
> > > >        |                   |                |      |
> > > >  1.    |------give me a TURN address------->|----->|
> > > >  2.    |                   |<--STUN Request--------|
> > > >  3.    |                   |-STUN Response->|----->|
> > > >  4.    |<-----here is your TURN address------------|
> > > >
> > 
> > If we allow a TURN server to be behind a NAT, then the only change I
> > would see necessary would that 1 and 4 would have to be routed over
> > the overlay (a reload tunnel, for example).  But otherwise, the TURN
> > protocol seems to work as is.  For the purposes of a TURN server, a
> > NAT having endpoint independent mapping seems to be the only real
> > requirement on the NAT as long as the two voice endpoints 
> support ICE;
> > the connectivity checks should take care of any form of 
> filtering the
> > NAT uses.
> 
> While TURN client in question gets its relayed address from 
> the TURN server,
> it will exchange them with its peer, say B. According to the 
> connectivity
> check in ICE, B and ICE will send message to try to find 
> direct connection. 
> 
> So if B send the message destined to the relayed address 
> first, it will be
> filtered by the TURN server. Then TURN client sends a message 
> destined to
> the B's candidate, it will send the message through the TURN 
> server. But in
> the message 1 reached the TURN server in a hop-by-hop way, if 
> the message is
> sent directly to the TURN server, it will be filtered. If the 
> message is
> sent in a hop-by-hop way through the overlay, the immediate 
> peer to the STUN
> server may change over time, so the message may also be filtered. Am I
> missing something? 
> 

Can you draw a diagram of that (in PowerPoint/JPEG/GIF or ASCII)?

-d


> Regards!
> 
> JiangXingFeng
> 

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