Hi, Victor:

It is an interesting concept: Community.

We like to see this paper.

Best regards,
Radhika

PS: We used to think like server farms. A server farm many have many servers 
for providing reliability and load sharing purposes. However, the logical view 
of the server has been a single server using standardized protocol(s) to the 
outside world. The communication within the servers was proprietary. 

In the case of "community" concept, I assume, that we can use the similar 
concept like that of the server farm. However, there is a difference. Now, the 
communications protocols used within a community will be standardized, as I 
guess you will be proposing in your draft.

It will extend the P2PSIP concept for making a peer more robust - as I see it - 
a "logical" P2PSIP peer will probably NEVER fail because it is a part of a 
larger community.

Definitely, it is welcomed to see the concept. If it is needed, we can form 
another WG to standadize this "community" P2PSIP protocol.

----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Pascual Ávila 
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 13:10
Subject: Re: [P2PSIP] Group management on top of P2PSIP?
To: Otso Kassinen 
Cc: [email protected]

> Otso,
> 
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Otso Kassinen 
> wrote:
> > Has anyone already come up with some ideas or even an 
> implementation> of a decentralized group-management system on top 
> of P2PSIP?
> > (I searched through the P2PSIP mailing list archives
> > and found no mention of group management.)
> 
> Some time ago, we (Pompeu Fabra University) considered including
> 'Community' concept in the P2PSIP terminology.
> We can think about 'Community' as a group of nodes (Overlay layer) or
> as a group of users (upper application layer, e.g. SIP).
> 
> What do you have in mind?
> 
> On the one hand, we considered community/group/whatever as a group of
> nodes and our main discussion was about if using a single overlay for
> both communities or just using one overlay (routing, storage) for each
> community. On the other hand, if we consider community as a group of
> users on the top of a single (or many) overlays, is there any
> significant difference between (SIP) (sub)domains concept and
> communities? I'm not trying to group users into domains, just
> suggesting a similar concept.
> 
> We are preparing a paper on a related topic. It's basically a P2PSIP
> live streaming tv platform where users are grouped into
> stations/channels. Definitely, it is not in the scope of the P2PSIP
> WG.
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Victor Pascual Ávila
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