Hi, Fortain:

I think that you can start working for all those QOS mechanisms within the 
framework of P2PSIP. Let me explain as follows:

1. Mobile Ad Hoc networks need P2P networking. As result, the applications also 
need to be P2P. P2PSIP WG is working for facilitating in building of P2PSIP 
applications.

2. The ad hoc mobility part is primarily related to the topology control of 
MANETs and MANET WG and AUTOCONFIG WG are working in the layers 2-through 3/4. 
The QOS-mechanisms of the network layer are being taken care of by those WGs.

3. The application layer QOS for SIP in peer-to-peer mode can best be working 
within the framework of P2PSIP WG because, I believe, you do not need to do 
anything explicitly related to mobility assuming that the lower MAC and network 
layer of MANET are being taken care of by those WGs (e.g. topology control, 
routing, QOS) and we can plug those things from the application layer to the 
lower network to work cooperatively.

4. It is true that we may have to do something in the P2P application layer 
like P2PSIP for QOS as well as for taking care of the ad hoc mobility, it is 
still not well understood by all of us. Once the P2PSIP signaling protocol is 
taken care of, we will gain more experiences what we have to do next.

However, if you suggest what specific problems related to QOS you want to 
address in the P2PSIP application Layer for solving the performance problems, 
we can then look into those taking Navy's QOS requirements for MANET networks.

I appreciate for bringing the interesting real problems in the P2PSIP WG 
mailing list.

Best regards,
Radhika

----- Original Message -----
From: FORTAINE Guillaume 
Date: Sunday, March 30, 2008 17:17
Subject: [P2PSIP] P2P SIP - Real-time Multimedia Services
To: [email protected]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Misters,
> 
> Happy New Year to You.
> 
> Let me introduce myself : Guillaume FORTAINE, Engineer in Computer
> Science. It's an honor for me to send this mail to You.
> 
> I am definitely aware of Your preeminence in the Mobile
> Telecommunications World.
> 
> Working with an Open Source Mesh Networks design team :
> 
> 24C3: *Wireless Kernel Tweaking* 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> We would greatly appreciate to set up a Working Group, if
> possible, please to provide QoS (For VoIP/IPTV) to our Users :
> 
> *Real*-*time* Multimedia Services Using Hybrid *P2P SIP* 
> 
> 
> *Real-time Multimedia Services Using Hybrid P2P SIP*
> Mo, Yijun; Wang, Fei; Huang, Benxiong; Luo, Fu
> Communications and Information Technologies, 2006. ISCIT apos;06. 
> International Symposium on
> Volume , Issue , Oct. 18 2006-Sept. 20 2006 Page(s):157 - 161
> Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/ISCIT.2006.339907
> *Summary:*SIP becomes one most poplar protocol in real-time 
> multimedia 
> services, but the central server becomes the single point of 
> failure, 
> While P2P becomes "killing level application" in Internet because 
> of its 
> robust and low cost. Combing P2P and SIP, we propose hybrid P2P 
> SIP 
> framework in the paper, and describe several important procedures, 
> such 
> as node registration, user registration and call procedure. But 
> current 
> P2P searching and routing arithmetic does not meet the requirement 
> for 
> low time delay in real-time multimedia applications. Then, we 
> present a 
> novel SOMCO arithmetic, which decreases the call delay and media 
> forwarding delay to some extend. Simulation verifies that SOMCO is 
> practical to support real-time multimedia services
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please find below our working plan :
> 
> (SBIR) Navy - *High Throughput and Low Latency Multi-Hop Mobile 
> Ad* … 
> 
> 
> 
> OBJECTIVE: While MANET promises to significantly increase the 
> availableNavy bandwidth, existing MANET throughput decreases 
> exponentially as the
> number of hops increases (hops > 4). This research will enable: 1) a
> multimedia stream to hop over hundreds of nodes without quality
> degradation and 2) hundreds of multimedia steams to cross a single 
> nodewithout quality degradation; 3) an advance in the state-of-the art
> videoconferencing and legacy application virtualization.
> Develop an end-to-end software solution (based on low-cost commodity
> hardware) that allows a multimedia stream (voice-over-internet-
> protocol[VoIP], videoconferencing, screen/application sharing, 
> file transfer,
> and biological/chemical sensor data) to hop over a large number of 
> nodeswithout quality degradation as defined by psychological human 
> factorquality-of-service (QoS) requirements.
> 
> DESCRIPTION: Existing MANET solutions have difficulty delivering a
> multimedia stream over a large number of hops. This research will
> develop novel software solutions to maintain high throughput and low
> latency for multimedia delivery over a large number of hops. The
> solution should: allow >1 Mbps and <500 msec of delay over 100 
> hops and
> be able to handle the cross-stream interference from multiple steams
> flowing over a particular node; and allow low-bandwidth
> videoconferencing for multiple sites (>100); exploit the 
> difference in
> human factor requirements for QoS for different multimedia (audio vs.
> video, vs. sensor data, etc) to optimize the streaming of different
> media types; use advanced compression and networking techniques to
> achieve a significant reduction (10X) in bandwidth compared to 
> existingcommercial solutions; advance in the state-of-the art 
> videoconferencingand legacy application virtualization; adapt to a 
> variety of networks
> (available bandwidth, packet loss rate and jitter); support FIPS 
> 140-2
> 256 bit AES encryption; record the training sessions; and be able 
> to run
> as a web-service or as a stand-alone program on segmented/closed/MANET
> networks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> We look forward to Your Answer,
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Dr. Guillaume FORTAINE
> Consultant Service Strategy and Innovation
> Company : Emppoo (Em(po)²) - Empowering The People
> Street : Moulin d'Ignaucourt
> ZIP : 62810
> City : BERLENCOURT-LE-CAUROY
> Country : FRANCE
> Tel : +33631092519 
> 
> 
> 
> Quotes :
> 
> "Scientia potentia est.", Sir Francis Bacon
> 
> "I consider life itself to be an instinct for growth, for 
> endurance, for 
> the accumulation of force, for power: when there is no will to 
> power, 
> there is decline.", Friedrich Nietzsche
> 
> "Great engineering is about being frugal - it's easy to make great 
> cars 
> with a lot of resources.", Carlos Ghosn
> 
> 
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