Bruce,

Thanks for your response. Clearly there's lots to discuss in these topics. I have a comment relating to two of your responses.

Thanks,
Alan

Bruce Lowekamp wrote:
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deployments. Also, there is an open issue about what layer this interacts with SIP, and whether a new SIP transport token needs to be defined.


Since the current draft does not specify tunneling SIP over the overlay, no new tokens are needed at this time.

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3. There is still a major security flaw relating to SIPS.

I don't think I need to repeat myself on this one. If I am incorrect that a SIPS (or any SIP message sent over TLS) sent using the Tunnel method would not be transported confidentially over the overlay, then please let me know. Otherwise, fixing this before WGLC would seem like a good idea.


The current draft does not specify sending SIP messages through tunnels. Such a specification would absolutely have to address that issue.

I am very surprised by the removal of this. Was this just done to avoid dealing with the security and transport issues or was it felt that there was no value in it?

If we are unable to route SIP messages over the overlay, then the overlay is effectively not providing a last resort rendezvous functionality that we have with CS SIP.

So the only alternative seems to be for every peer to reserve and use TURN candidates every time a SIP connection is established. Otherwise, in the perhaps 15% of cases where a relay is needed, the SIP connection will fail. I'm very concerned that we have not fully thought through this usage of TURN for both SIP and media...


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