Discussion at Minneapolis concluded with a hum that TLS will remain
the only option.  No changes will be made to the draft at this time.

Bruce


On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Bruce Lowekamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There has been significant conversation around whether requiring both
> TLS and ICE for a minimally functional reload implementation is too
> big of a hurdle during development.  Most developers first implement
> something without these two components first regardless, but they need
> to solve nodes exchanging identifiers (without TLS) on their own and
> their protocols are not interoperable for testing purposes.  The
> reload authors would like to propose adding the following text, or
> something similar, to introduce a tcp test mode options:
>
>         TCP Test Mode is a transport based on TCP but no security
>         layer. It SHOULD NOT be used in any production environment as it
>         has many security vulnerabilities. It is meant only as simple test
>         mode to facilitate testing and interoperability before moving to
>         full TLS. When a new TCP session of this type is formed, both ends
>         of the connection MUST write their binary Node-ID to the wire
>         before sending any other messages over the session. This allows
>         both sides to discover the Node-ID of the other side and use this
>         in a similar way to the Node-ID discovered when using TLS or DTLS
>         from the certificate in the TLS handshake. This mode MUST not be
>         used unless the configuration for the overlay instance
>         specifically allows it.
>
> Bruce
>
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