Hi,
Maybe I'm wrong, but I consider peers in RELOAD are structured
with a
DHT algorithm, e.g., in Chord, peer with Node-ID 500 is connected
with
peer 400 and 600.
However, what will happen, if peer 500 totally lose both of the
connections due to mobility and NAT, but can set up new ones with
peer
100 and peer 300? IMHO, in order to keep the topology structured, if
this node still want to be a peer in the overlay it should change
its
Node ID to, say 200, and rejoin the overlay to enable itself still
reachable with the DHT algorithm.
If peers in a overlay can not be connected with a strict order,
the DHT
algorithm for structured topology will not work anymore.
Br
Xiao, Lin
-----Original Message-----
From: ext jc [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:41 AM
To: Xiao, Lin (NSN - CN/Beijing)
Cc: ext Cullen Jennings; P2PSIP WG
Subject: Re: [P2PSIP] New versions of RELOAD and sip draft
The draft doesn't state that you MUST change you NodeID if you lose
overlay connectivity. In fact under your given condition you would
simply retain it and connect again as a Client when the network is
back
up.
Julian
On Oct 21, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Xiao, Lin (NSN - CN/Beijing) wrote:
Hi Cullen,
Thanks for your reply.
I agree that RELOAD have covered most of the functionalities of
peers
and clients. However, there is still a little different between
clients and peers while connection is lost besides data replica.
What
I mean here is the Node ID.
Because all the peers in the overlay are connected according to a
strict overlay algorithm. The position of a peer in the overlay is
decided by its Node ID. If a peer lost its position
(disconnected) in
the overlay because of moving and NAT, but still want to work as a
peer, it must change its Node ID, which means it need do the
enrollment again and rejoin the overlay.
But, because a client can attach with an arbitrary peer. It is not
necessary for a client to change its Node ID when it change its
attaching peer. The most important thing here is that, this
behavior
make it possible for a client to keep session continuity while its
attaching peer is switched.
Considering to deploy RELOAD in reality, stable nodes are
preferred
to work as peers while mobile nodes can take the advantage of the
client behavior mentioned above. Sessions can be kept with high
mobility, as unique Node ID is maintained by clients. I'm not
sure if
RELOAD has considered this distinction of client, which help
clients
to be attached with the ovelay as long as it can build at least one
connection to the overlay.
Br
Xiao, Lin
-----Original Message-----
From: ext Cullen Jennings [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:05 AM
To: Xiao, Lin (NSN - CN/Beijing)
Cc: P2PSIP WG
Subject: Re: [P2PSIP] New versions of RELOAD and sip draft
Thank you, few comments inline....
On Oct 10, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Xiao, Lin (NSN - CN/Beijing) wrote:
Hi Cullen,
I've had a quick review of these two drafts, and still not quite
clear
with some Client related issues.
I know Client is not the first-class concept in RELOAD, but as
it has
been involved in the RELOAD protocol, RELOAD should give full
support
to client anyhow, right?
In the terminology chapter of RELOAD Base draft, the connection
table
is defined as:
"The set of peers to which a node is directly connected. This
includes nodes with which Attach handshakes have been done but
which
have not sent any Updates."
although, the second sentence implies that clients are also
involved
in, I still suggest to replace the "peers" in the first sentence
with
"nodes" to make it more clear that both peers and clients can be
maintained in the table.
I agree. I changed this - thank you for the careful review to catch
things like this.
In my opinions, connection setup and maintenance between client
and
its connected peer (responsible peer or arbitrary peer) is a key
issue for client support in RELOAD. My question is: Does a peer
in
RELOAD distinguish if the connection is to a peer or to a client?
Because the reaction of the peer could be different when the
connection is lost.
Reload does distinguish at some level but what do you think a node
needs to do differently when a connection is lost if the connection
when to a peer or client. Clearly how data replication is handled
and
some of the finger table stuff is handled differently but I think
that
is covered in the draft. If you see something specific missing,
let me
know.
As a client could set up a connection only with an arbitrary peer.
Does
this peer distinguish such connection from those it is responsible
to?
I don't se the need to.
Should this peer inform the client's responsible peer about the
Destination List to the client? So that it can still be accessed
by
other nodes. Or should the Destination List been stored with some
usage, say SIP Usage?
Yes, that is the approach to store destination lists where they are
needed.
If so, the SIP usage must be extended to allow a Destination list
containing more than one Node IDs.
agree that it needs to allow storing multiple Node IDs but I
think it
already does that.
In current SIP
usage draft, the SipRegistration structure only allow one address
being stored in the Destination List, as:
" Destination destination_list<0..2^16-1>;"
The destination_list here is an array of Destinations so it allows
between 0 and 65K entries in the array. I agree the syntax for
specifying arrays might seem a bit weird but I think the
structure is
what you are pointing out we need to have.
It should be replaced by: "Destination destination_list
[dest_list_length];"
to enable a longer list stored by arbitrary connected clients.
Anyway, IMHO, RELOAD should make sure to cover all situations a
client could meet or at least clearly distinguish issues of
clients,
especially for arbitrary connected ones, which are left to be
solved
by other drafts. Thanks.
Best Regards,
Xiao, Lin
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of ext Cullen Jennings
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:53 AM
To: P2PSIP WG
Subject: [P2PSIP] New versions of RELOAD and sip draft
I just submitted
draft-ietf-p2psip-base-04
and
draft-ietf-p2psip-sip-02
These contain technical changes but do not have a lot of editorial
changes. At some point we need to go and reorganize the documents
with editorial changes.
Cullen <in my individual contributor role>
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