Greg: I appreciate your views on the p5ee initiative. There is one aspect of what you said that I want to focus in on:
> First let me state what I think p5ee should accomplish, > > It should be a weapon to help Perl programmers convince > technology managers and CTO's of the power of Perl at solving > the problems found in most enterprises. I suppose this is your thesis, so it's probably the right place for me to dig in at. :-) I will take the role of antithesis, then. While I support everything that you said, my own concern / desire for p5ee would be to make sure that my Perl-glue still works. Traditionally, Perl tends to enter a corporate IT infrastructre and environment in a bottom-up fashion. Some poor schmuck needs to finish a job, and Perl turns out to be the right tool to use in doing so. Partly, this is because Perl is just such a damn fine language, but partly, it's because Perl is a great glue language to connect X with Y, no matter what X and Y are. I'm starting to worry that this won't long be the case. I support just about everything you said and all the outcomes that you want to achieve from p5ee. But I'm mainly just interested in making sure that Perl continues to be a tool that can get you from A to B, no matter what A and B are. In an age where A and B are components in an enterprise framework, I want for Perl to work there, too. I'm not so concerned whether or not p5ee is a clone of j2ee. You seem to think that it would be better to "do our own thing" and to evangelise to CTOs that they should use a Perl framework rather than a Java one, or a .Net one. I don't care so much (though it would be cool for Perl to rule the world), but I do care that whatever the CTOs do decide, Perl should be able to work with it. Perhaps my position is reactionary and defensive, but this is my concern. If you represent greed, I'll represent fear. :-) Cheers, Richard -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Dice ShadNet Creator * http://shadnet.shad.ca/ * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Occasional Writer, HotWired * http://www.hotwired.com/webmonkey/ "squeeze the world 'til it's small enough to join us heel to toe" - jesus jones
