At 06:24 PM 7/30/2002 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: >Well, we had a BOF at OSCON and thanks to everyone who came. I'm >afraid I was a little tired by this time and may have been a little >negative, but here are a couple of things discussed:
Thanks for heading this up Leon. >Why do we want p5ee? To make more money and make it easier to get a >job. I want it to make development of applications easier. .... >Where it is now? Nowhere. I appreciate that there is not any finished product to show for the many months of discussion (and effort). I think that this is because "an Enterprise development framework in Perl" is hard actually to define and we all want so many different things from it. (And any credible framework would overlap so badly with the tool sets which each one of us are comfortable using and highly partisan toward.) ;-) People interested in looking on the bright side should take note that I continue to enhance the "Components" P5EE page regularly with links to all kinds of relevant modules and technologies. It has become a valuable resource for me to use. http://www.officevision.com/pub/p5ee/components.html However, I work with/on P5EEx::Blue every day, and something good will eventually come of it all. .... >to be honest we went around in circles, but an opinion is that perhaps >we shouldn't rewrite huge codebases without an aim but instead give >the P5EE stamp to high quality CPAN modules instead, eg DBI, >Cache::Cache, .... (this is where we got stuck). The "Components" page mentioned above begins to do this. However the "P5EE as Code" or "P5EE as Integration Document" discussion has occurred before on this list. I am sympathetic in different ways to both views. I will welcome any contributions of Success Stories or Integration Specifications that anyone thinks might help others in developing Enterprise Applications in perl. Stephen
