Martijn Otto posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:58:11 +0100:
>> I'm not sure how BNR2 works, but does it possibly automatically integrate >> the PAR files when needed to rebuild the post? If so, that might explain >> it, as PAN doesn't. >> > > It does not, and even if it did, i do not believe that would explain > this behaviour. PAN isn't able to decode any of the articles. The > directory where i decode it to stays completely empty, not even the > PAR files get through. > > The problem, as i see it, lies in the decoding of the message. For > some reason, BNR2 is able to decode it, where PAN is not. You did mention it's yEnc, also. yEnc includes in the specification a CRC-32 (IIRC, something similar if not) check built-in, with the check-value posted with the encoded file. I believe PAN will refuse to decode the file if the result doesn't match the included check-value, as I've seen messages to that effect on occasion. Maybe BNR2 either doesn't verify the check-value, or assumes you'd rather have the corrupt file than no file, if it doesn't verify, and decodes it anyway? One of the reasons I wanted to see the posts for myself was to independently verify whether they passed the check, here, and to check out a couple other possibilities, such as whether the poster is using a non-standard posting client that might be getting it wrong, somehow, whether /everything/ by this poster ends up bad, whether perhaps it's a particular server mangling it, etc. >> Unfortunately, the named posts have scrolled off the server, here (or got >> caught in my filters), so can't check them. I'm just using my ISP's >> server, which is rather crappy for multi-part binaries, which I don't do >> much of anyway (and I use klibido for all my binaries, anyway), so it's >> probably the server. >> > > That's strange, they were posted only about three days ago. Maybe > someone else has some insight as to what is going on. I /said/ it was rather crappy for multi-part binaries. 2-3 days is about it (single-part binaries like the still-pix groups have a longer retention, a couple weeks, anyways, and text groups are longer still, months), and even then, completion is apparently pretty bad, according to those that /do/ use the multi-part groups regularly, right now. Unfortunately, a good ISP-bundled news provider is rather hard to find -- they either outsource to someone like supernews or giganews and ridiculously cap downloads (a gig a month isn't uncommon, sometimes INCLUDING overview downloads, or they allow unlimited downloads but cap the access rate to low-single-digit multiples of dialup -- say 128 or 256kbps total of multiple connections), or handle it themselves and simply can't keep up with the two-terabyte-plus-and-growing-per-day full newsfeeds. Increasingly, ISPs are either not providing bundled news at all, or only a limited text-group feed. Thus, a serious news hound is increasingly HAVING to have at least one dedicated news provider, either for backups, or as their main service, if one is unlucky enough to have a gig-a-news-a-month capped service, or /no/ binary news bundled with the ISP services. I've always argued that the serious binary news hound will have at least two sources anyway, but while it /used/ to be that one could either buy a reliable backkup at a higher per-gig cost or a not-quite-as-reliable-but-cheap flat-rate service, depending on the /other/ one of the two from your ISP, it's increasingly the case that the ISP is now /both/ unreliable and low-bulk, because it's /so/ unreliable/ or /so/ low-bulk, so a serious biinary news hound has to fork over additional fees to TWO third party news providers, as the ISP's service is neither bulky enough to substitute for the flat-rate service nor reliable enough to substitute for the backup service. Anyway, as I said, I'm only using my ISP's services, recognizing that I don't see everything, but it's good enough for single-part binaries, which is mostly what I do in binaries, and I don't consider myself all that serious a binary news hound anyway, so it's sufficient for me. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
