Maurice posted on Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:26:46 +0000 as excerpted: > On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 18:29:34 +0000, Duncan wrote: > >> open firefox on a different desktop, then switch to the one you're >> running pan on, and click a link. > > Yes, that works, but my point is that - without having Firefox open > before clicking a URL in e·g. KMail or Kwrite - Firefox does come up on > top. > > So with KDE apps it does, but with Pan (a Gnome app) it doesn't. > > The question is: why the difference? > > (And why did it not do that with 'old' Pan.)
Do you have any window rules that could affect either pan or firefox? Here, I have window rules for both, but only the firefox window rule sets focus-stealing-prevention, forcing it to none. If I change that to high or extreme, then firefox's new windows /always/ appear below pan/claws. However, that's not advised as it would mess with firefox's alert windows, etc, as well, making them appear behind an existing firefox, which has security and usability implications. At one point kwin shipped with a default rule to force firefox to focus- stealing-prevention none for this very reason. I don't believe it does any more altho I'm not sure, but it's very possible that kwin has a hard- coded rule for firefox that deals with that now, which /could/ be interfering with the the rules we'd set, unless we make them strong enough to override it (high/extreme probably overrides it, as it'd probably apply only to normal focus-stealing, the default). Talking about which, if you're going by the behavior of pan1 on your old system and pan2 on the new system, it may well be that it's kwin's behavior that has changed between versions. But if you've tried both pans on the same system (thus with the same kwin) and old-pan behaved one way while new-pan behaves a different way, then that's excluded. Meanwhile, I /can/ make firefox consistently appear above other windows... by setting keep above, apply initially, yes. Of course that has other implications as well, namely that until I toggle the keep-above button in its titlebar (which I have set visible by default for all windows, customized titlebar buttons and button positions), firefox can't be lowered, because it has the keep-above attribute set. However, I can still toggle it, because I set apply initially, not force. If I'd set force, then the button in the titlebar would disappear as it'd no longer be possible to turn the attribute off (except by changing the rule) anyway. It'd also be possible to script the behavior. kwin's new javascripted window scripts /might/ be able to do it, I'm not sure, but I'm reasonably sure I could hack up a bash script using wmctrl or wmiface that would launch the new firefox window, set it to keep above (to raise it), sleep for a few seconds, then set it to normal (to not interfere with normal window operation). -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
