On 12/7/25 4:11 AM, Duncan wrote:
David Chmelik posted on Fri, 11 Jul 2025 10:49:56 -0700 as excerpted:
On 11/7/25 12:58 AM, Dominique Dumont via Pan-users wrote:
On Friday, 11 July 2025 04:35:45 Central European Summer Time David
Chmelik wrote:
I have Slackware GNU/Linux (64-bit n86) pan 0.163 which for some
days--a few/several sessions--no longer shows messages. This happened
before and someone said delete some ~/.pan2 stuff: what was that?
(have no access to that thread of course)
Please check menu "View -> Layout" and make sure that "Show Body Pane"
is selected.
Of course it is; only messages don't display, not the entire (visible)
body pane.
Turns out your description is ambiguous, with DD reading it one way,
apparently mistakenly, while I read it a bit differently.
okay
Or actually, I see at least two additional ways it can be read. Maybe
one, and its corresponding config-fix, will be correct...
1) What I originally thought because I had it happen to me once... The
messages are no longer showing up in the overview pane (aka headers pane,
which I contend is a misnomer since technically it only shows the headers
that are in the overview, not full headers since you only get them once
you download the message, after which they can be displayed in the body
pane using the show all headers toggle), so you can't click them to show
them in the body pane.
That's only headers, not (entire) messages. Nothing appears in message
pane (even in 'sent').
In my case it was because I had set match only my articles (with only
matching articles shown) and quit pan, forgetting about it. Since I had
already posted and downloaded my followups for that session, when I
reopened pan and set it to download articles in subscribed groups, I could
see it doing so but then saw no new articles as there weren't any more of
mine that matched the setting I had forgotten about.
It took me longer than it should have (several days in fact) to figure
/that/ one out, but once was enough -- I've never repeated that mistake!
=:^) (And also... this is why I always prefer to find what the actual
problem is and solve it, if necessary by bisecting the ideally text config
file by file and then line by line, because if I don't, it can happen
again and I'll /still/ not have a solution better than blowing away the
entire config or at least the entire file of that config, whereas if I
bisect down to the problem line, even if I can't fix it in the GUI I can
go straight to the problem in the text file and fix that, if it does
happen again.)
Of course there are other config possibilities that would result in the
same issue, like matching only watched articles and having no new ones
show up. If this is what you're seeing, tho -- no new messages showing up
-- then it's probably something along these lines and hopefully a perusal
of the View, Header Pane settings should reveal the problem.
2) [...]
#2 was about colour settings, which I change in XFCE settings but
unfortunately doesn't affect inside pan panes: would be nice for night,
but other than trying years/decades ago (and changing back) I left pan
colours default.
If neither of those is the problem... to try to answer the ~/.pan2
question generically by describing what the most critical files within it
do...
Pan's main app settings are in preferences.xml. If that's where you think
the problem is, back up that file and (with pan closed) delete it. If
that fixes it, you can try resetting from the backup and bisecting to the
problem line, if you don't want to manually redo your settings.
I stopped pan, and moved that with no change/improvement after starting
again.
If the problem seems to be pan being "stuck" and unable to download
(including new overviews/headers), I had that once due to a corrupted
tasks.nzb file. That's only unfinished tasks so deleting it should only
delete those, probably not worth hand editing unless you had something
complex you were in the middle of and don't want to manually reschedule it
all.
I'm still able to download and see headers, so apparently what I said
wasn't entirely true: I can see only the header part of messages in
headers pane (not headers in top of body pane) and have been able to
without seeing message bodies for some weeks (in a sense a message is a
header & body but if one only sees part, one can't see messages without
entirety, though some/many might say one can 'see' (part of) it... but
if there's important detail in body one "wouldn't have seen the message").
The other issue might be filesystem corruption with the files in article-
cache. That's all the messages pan has "downloaded to cache". With the
default cache size it won't be much (a single session's worth, perhaps)
for binaries, but could be months worth for text groups.
Or if somehow article-cache got marked read-only or set to a different
user so pan can't cache anything...
~/.pan2/article-cache now seems empty.
--D
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