From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/circle2012dreams/
Interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek
This new work has been going on for about the last three and a
half,
four years," he said in a phone interview from his office in
Arizona.
"Prior to that time, what most of the world knows my work from are
the
books called The Flower of Life about sacred geometry and the
electromagnetic fields around the human body that are 55, 60 feet
across in
diameter (merkaba). This new work is about the human heart and a
sacred space
inside of the heart.
"Initially, it looks different than the merkaba fields and the light
body fields, but in the end, this all leads to the connecting of
these
two spaces together, the mind and the heart."
What follows is an interview with Drunvalo on Living in the Heart
and
how it relates the world we live in today.
Does accessing that space within the human heart require knowledge
of
your earlier work with the merkaba?
Drunvalo: No, it doesn't. People have found that space all over the
world with many, many different meditation techniques and
disciplines, and
so there are lots of ways to find it, to get there. Definitely, what
I'm doing is not the only way, but the way that I've been taught is
through the indigenous tribes around the world. They've been
teaching me for
a long time, 20 years. Eventually one of them just said, "Well, here
it
is. Here's how you do it." That changed everything.
It was the Kogi, a tribe living high up in the mountains of
Colombia,
who gave me the direct experience. It first began with the
Aboriginals
in Australia. They were the ones that were trying to teach me, but I
didn't know what the heck they were talking about. And then the
leader of
the Maori Indians in New Zealand showed me more about this than the
Aboriginals did, but I still didn't understand. And then there were
many
other tribes around the world that showed me a little bit more, a
little
bit more, until finally the Kogis just gave me direct experience.
And
at that point, I understood.
There's really no way to really understand this except to do it,
because it falls outside of normal human consciousness completely.
It doesn't
even appear to be related. Whereas the mind is polarized, it has a
left
and a right side and sees everything as polarized, as either good or
bad or neutral, and where everything in the mind is based on
thoughts and
logic, this is not This is pure feminine energy. It doesn't even
know
what polarity is, because when you're in there you can't see
polarity.
Everything is whole, complete and perfect as it is. There's nothing
"wrong." Everything is exactly the way it's supposed to be and it's
not
based on thoughts and logic. It's based on dreaming and feelings and
emotions.
Thus the "dreamtime" of the Aboriginals?
Drunvalo: Exactly. We have no idea of that in the Western world. I
mean, we have absolutely no idea how powerful and what this is. We
think
that we've got a pretty good handle on the reality side, through our
science and our way of perceiving things. But, the dreamtime is so
incredible -- if you want to call it the dreamtime.
This is literally a space in the heart. There's an actual physical
opening inside the heart. Then, inside of that space is another
space. It's
a smaller one. It's a tiny space inside. It's usually only maybe
four,
five, six feet around and the vibration goes up about an octave when
you step into that space. And it's in that space that the dreamtime
is
accessed and where all the phenomenal things that some of the tribes
talk
about are accessed.
That space -- and they all agree on this -- is older than creation
itself. It's before the Big Bang, before anything was it existed,
and all
life, everywhere, is intimately connected through that space no
matter
where it is or what is looks like or where it came from. It's all
connected. So, that's why the Aboriginals can have an experience and
then
other people can go into the dreamtime and relive that experience.
It's
not like watching a move, because you're actually there and you're
reliving it in real 3-D time. It's amazing.
I was sitting in Mexico when I was learning this from the Kogi and
they
made this sound and put me into my heart. Instantaneously, I was in
Colombia standing with a group of old men in white robes. I was
actually
there, physically, really sitting there -- and it was pretty
mind-blowing! Then they would come up to me and make another sound
and bam! I
would be somewhere else, but somewhere just as real as this reality.
No
difference at all.
The past, present and future are spherical in dreamtime. It's not
linear. The polarized mind sees time as past, present, future. It's
sees
space as x, y and z. It sees everything as broken up into these
three
components, but dreamtime doesn't. It sees it spherically.
Everything's
happening at once, at all levels -- past, present and future, and
all of
what they call the parallel worlds or all the potential
possibilities.
It's way more vast than it may seen.
What one experiences can be passed directly to anyone else. Further,
when two people are in that space consciously, no matter where they
are
in the universe or anywhere on the planet, they can trade bodies.
They
can actually step out in the other person's body. It seems to have a
time limit and I don't know if it really does, but it did for me
when I
experienced this. You can actually walk out into another person's
body
and you're actually in that person's body and feeling what they
feel.
Switching back seems to happen automatically. Where all this leads
to and
what it all means, I'm just beginning to understand.
So you were put into this space with a sound initially?
Drunvalo: There's a language. This sound is an experience the Kogi
call
a language that has no words. In other words, the sounds come out of
the body and they produce images inside the spirit of the person.
And if
the images are really complete, it's not just an image but a
reality.
You're there, wherever it is.
But, that same exact sound said a moment later will produce an
entirely
different image. So, it isn't like a word has a particular meaning.
I don't really understand what it's based on. I've tried to figure
it
out and I haven't. But, it goes back to the Bible, where in there it
says that before the Tower of Babel there was one language and that
one
language the whole world knew and that that language allowed all
people
to speak to each other and even animals. Remember, it said that in
there
that they could talk to animals. But, science has never found that
language. They've looked and looked and looked, but there's not a
trace,
because it is not a written language.
It's a language that everybody knows. In fact, you know it
intimately
right now, only at the moment you just have it blocked. But,
everybody
knows this language.
This language appears to be coming back now, and in that return, as
I
see it, it would break of the spell of Babylon, of the separation of
people by different languages. Eventually, we are going to remember
the
one language. It allows us to communicate with each other, not only
with
animals, but bacteria and trees and everything, because from the
dreamtime place everything is alive: even rocks are alive, anything
that has
a mass is alive. So, it's something that we have forgotten, but have
not lost. You can't lose it. You couldn't exist without it, from the
way
the Kogi and aboriginals look at it. You could not be here if you
didn't have it within you, if you didn't have that sacred space
inside of
you.
The interesting thing about it is that there is a direct connection
from within the heart to the outer world. I've taught about 4,000
people
now and I've listened to their stories, without programming them or
anything, just listened to their stories of what they found when
they went
in there. Almost inevitably, people will discover that the stars are
inside of their heart. The same stars, not different ones, the same
planets, the same everything that's out there. And then, if they
wrap it
back around, which sometimes they don't do, they'll realize that the
planet is inside the heart space when you get in there, just as it
is
outside here.
I have just written a book on this -- Living in the Heart: A Journey
into the Sacred Space of the Human Heart -- which will be out in
about
two months, it's called Living in the Heart: A Journey into the
Sacred
Space of the Human Heart. Right after I finished this, somebody sent
me a
little quote from the Upanishads that I had never read. When I read
that quote, I could hardly believe it.
Here's what it says: "If someone says to you, 'In the fortified city
of
the imperishable, our body, there is a lotus and in this lotus a
tiny
space. What does it contain that one should desire to know?' You
must
reply, 'As vast as the space without is, the tiny space within your
heart
Heaven and Earth are found in it; Fire and Air, Sun and Moon,
Lightning
and the Constellations. Whatever belongs to you here below and all
that
doesn't all this is gathered in that tiny space within your
heart.' "
That is exactly what I found -- and so have thousands of other
people.
The same world can be viewed and seen and sensed by going within
your
heart as it can by going within your mind.
I've talked to Gregg Braden and a lot of other people who are
involved
in manifestation and prayer, about the techniques of prayer, like
what
Gregg Braden wrote about in the Isaiah Effect about focusing your
attention and your intention and then having to feel it in your mind
and
your heart, emotionally, and in your body, in order to create a
miracle.
But, there's a problem with that. The creating instrument is the
mind,
which is polarized. What we're describing, and Gregg is also coming
up
to the same conclusion with me, is that whenever you pray, such as
if
you pray for world peace along with billions of other people, the
problem
is that no matter how pure your intention is, you will always create
the polarity. So you will create a world that is partly is war and
partly
in peace. You'll get both sides -- the dark and the light. This even
works even if you're a black magician and you're trying to do
something
negative. You're going to get the equal positive side. You always
will
create it because the instrument itself is polarized.
But, you can go into your heart and create form within the tiny
space
within your heart and, though the creation process is entirely
different, it's not based on thoughts and logic, but based on
dreaming and
emotions. This will create what the intention is, but without the
dark side.
Light in the heart has an interesting phenomenon. When you look at
this
world from here, now, light has shadows because light comes from a
source. But, the same light inside the heart, which I've spent so
much time
looking at and so have other people, has no shadow because the light
appears to come from everywhere. And it does the same thing when you
create form there. There's no polarity so it doesn't create the
opposite of
what you're trying to create.
My teachers are saying that this is one of our greatest lessons that
we
have to remember if we're ever going to get out of this problem that
we're in, not only with war, but socially and environmentally and
everything that is being destroyed. We need to begin to live and
create within
our hearts rather than live and create from our minds.
In your workshop, do you offer people a key to remembering this?
Drunvalo: The workshop I'll be giving in Minneapolis is only an
introduction. It's one day long. In reality, I'm only going to
probably get a
few people, maybe up to 30 percent, who will, in that length of
time,
be able to actually get there and experience it. Most of them will
not
be able to experience it in that short of time. It takes more like
about
three to four days of training, so this is just an introduction.
There
will be some people who will come out of there with their lives
changed, and others will walk out of there not understanding what it
was about
at all. Because you can talk about it all you want, as we are, but
without the direct experience, it doesn't mean a lot.
So you're offering other workshops where you have more time to go
deeper with this process?
Drunvalo: We have a three-day Living in the Heart workshop [see
listings at Drunvalo.net]. I developed this much longer workshop so
I could
solve some of the problems of why people couldn't get into that
space.
One of the reasons is because people have had emotional disturbances
and
traumas in their life. If you have had these, especially ones around
love, divorce, especially the children, you can find the heart
space, but
you go in there and it awakens that pain. You feel it and then just
jump back out: "No way, I'm not going in there!" And so, to solve
that I
spend one full day working on healing the heart chakra. In doing
that, I
can get nearly 100 percent of people into that heart space. In
Germany
recently, I had 180 people and only six of them couldn't find their
way
in there.
I imagine you'll have a big demand for this.
Drunvalo: The demand is very high. It has been from the beginning.
The
demand for the other workshops, such as the advanced level of the
merkaba workshop, is also very high, and so I'm trying to balance
those two
things. I'm just one person, and I can't reach this demand.
The thing is with the merkaba training is that it's very, very
complex
and needs to be taught in very specific ways, because you're dealing
with the mind, but with the heart meditation, I'm encouraging people
to
begin to teach this or take it out to the world, because you can't
misuse it. You're in the heart or you're not, and if you're in the
heart
you're not going to misuse this. You would never dream from that
space of
ever doing anything that would do harm. In fact, the heart wouldn't
let
you anyway. So, I'm not worried about people taking this information
and begin to teach it. In fact, I want them to.
So, if they've moved through the three or four days in the longer
workshop on Living in the Heart and they've been in that space, are
they
able to reproduce it on their own after that?
Drunvalo: Yes, almost all of them. We teach you how to get back
there
very quickly. It takes almost a full day to get you there, but once
you're there and you've experienced it, it's like riding a bike;
once you
get it you can get back there very easily.
There's a constant vibration in the space inside the heart kind of
like
Om, but it's a little different -- and slightly different for each
person. But, that vibration can be used once you've felt it and you
know
what it is. You can use that vibration to find the space very
quickly.
The Kogi can talk using their own language in normal ways or, in a
matter
of two or three seconds, they can switch and go into the heart and
begin to communicate in another way totally.
That would be nice.
Drunvalo: Remember the heart. It is supposed to be in control of the
mind. That's the way it was supposed to happen. It got inverted over
the
other way when we fell out of creation. It's not normal and it has
caused a lot of problems. As you can see, our world is dying.
It's not always easy to remain in a very good space, with all the
conspiracy theorists talking about the powerful and elite taking
over the
world and how President Bush seems to be a model for that.
Drunvalo: Well, there are conspiracy theories and there are lots of
them, such as the stuff David Icke has said. These things are real,
but so
what? There's another level of what's going on here in the world
that's
much greater and also real. When we get into that level of our
heart,
and love begins to guide the way instead of self-interest, then we
will
find the answers and we will find the way out of all these problems
and
Bush himself will crumble just as Saddam's crumbling now, because
that
isn't the way that's going to prevail. What's going to prevail is
the
heart. It's stronger. It's more powerful.
But, it's all about timing. I was just in the Yucatan with Hunbatz
Men
(a shaman and elder) and the Mayans doing ceremony there for two,
two
and a half weeks. They talked about this war. I sat down and spoke
personally with Hunbatz Men about it, and he said what the Mayan
calendar
predicts is that the war with Saddam was inevitable. He said it
absolutely was going to happen, but how long it would last depended
on when it
started. If it started before April 1, he said it will be over
really
fast and be over with and there'll be very little problems. If it
started
after April 1, between then and November, it would become the
biggest
third world war and most of the world would be destroyed.
(Hmmmm....I
wonder what is considered "really fast" and "very little
problems".......L.)
What day did it start?
Drunvalo: It started in March, so from what they're saying, it would
be
over with very quickly. But, on another level, they're saying that
all
of this way of living from the mind is just about over and we're in
that process of the mind dying and the heart beginning to be the way
we
perceive our one reality and live and make our decisions.
I'm sure you've probably been following what's going on with
children
around the world known as the Super Psychic kids who are able to see
without their hands.
Yes.
Drunvalo: Those kids are going into their heart space. That's what
they're doing and this is how they can know anything. From within
your
heart, you can know anything. Absolutely anything at all. You could
know
the most complicated calculus problem and instantaneously come up
with a
perfect answer without ever knowing how you got there. They're doing
that in China. These kids are being given calculus problems that
takes
computers 15 or 20 minutes to figure out and the kids just write the
answer out immediately.
When you go into that little space in the heart, whatever question
you
ask or whatever you want to know just appears. I've done a lot of
research with these kids and they're 100 percent perfect. They
never, ever
make an error. They can look at you or even a picture of you and
tell
you everything -- your name, address, phone number, Social Security
number, date of birth, and date of death also. They know every
disease
you've had, all the children you've got, the names and address and
phone
numbers and on and on and on. They can just know anything. And, so
can
anybody. You go into the space.
What's interesting about this is that the mind creates with thoughts
and logic, but it sees with light. The heart creates with the
emotions
and feelings and dreaming, but it sees with darkness. This is why
all
these psychic kids wrap things around their eyes so they don't have
any
light coming in at all. It makes it easier. So, I do the same thing
in my
workshops. We have blindfolds so that you go into darkness, because
it
is much, much easier to find this place and to get into realizing
what
it is.
The good news is that the government cannot exploit these kids who
work
through the heart?
Drunvalo: They're working through their hearts, but the government
might find a way.
I've read about the kids in China and how the government may be
using
them
Drunvalo: Yes, they were using them as spies -- and they could be
used
as spies. That's probably the only way they could. They can know
anything. I sat before the National Academy of Sciences in Moscow,
Russia.
They have the same information. They use a similar form of
connecting in
the heart and they're able to go into any computer in the world and
download the contents onto a disc that's just sitting on a table in
front
of them. They can even go into your mind, according to them, and, if
you don't know how to protect yourself, and know everything that you
know.
Even they realized that they can't use this information in an
offensive
way to do harm, because the people rapidly lose the ability to do it
if
they try. So, as long as their outcome or their purpose is for the
greater good of all life, the heart allows it to keep going. It's an
amazing thing, it truly is.
And there are more of us than not who are seeking that, right? I
mean,
seeking happiness within ourselves?
Drunvalo: Well, I'm in 60 countries and we have 500 teachers, so I
have
gone somewhere every three weeks in the world for the last 20 years
and
I have talked to people all over the world and I've looked into
their
hearts and I've looked to what they really want. And it's the same
everywhere. I don't care where you go or how suppressed the country
may
seem. When you're face-to-face with just the person, they want the
same
thing. They don't want the world to be controlled by all this stuff
They
want a clean planet. They want their kids to be happy. They want
love
They want their basic needs attended to just like everybody else and
they
don't want the way the world is moving right now. Nobody does.
That's
really clear to me. There's no doubt. They don't know what to do.
They
don't know how to change it. From what all my indigenous teachers
are
telling me, as long as we continue to try to solve the problems from
within the mind, we're just going to create more problems.
More polarity on every issue.
Drunvalo: Yeah. Every time we go in with the best of intentions. We
go,
"OK, I really want to pray for peace." But, we keep creating more
darkness at the same time and the thing gets more and more complex
because
we're living from the mind.
So the answer is not the peace protests that we have seen.
Drunvalo: Gregg Braden and I both are sitting there going, "Well,
what
do we do then?" On one level it's becoming clear. It's more like
Taoist
philosophies: It's not about what you do, it's about being. It's
about
a state of consciousness or state of awareness of being where you're
residing within your heart and everything begins to change without
actually doing anything. And so, I've acknowledged from my
indigenous
teachers to keep putting this out into the world. They believe this
is the
only answer.
If we go into our hearts, then we begin to dream a new world that
doesn't have the same kinds of problems that we now have. The heart
knows
exactly what to do without you having to think about it. You don't
sit in
there and think, "Well, OK, I want to change the Iraqi war." It's
about
just being, in a state of balance within your heart. And as people
begin to do that, the dream begins to gather and it begins to change
everything. A huge portion of the indigenous people of the world,
their
leaders, their shamans, their medicine men are doing just this:
waiting for
us to wake up and remember who we are, why we came here and to no
longer function just from our minds, but to let our hearts gain
control.
One of the last experiences I had in writing all of this -- and I'm
now
beginning to understand the direction this is leaning to -- was when
I
was sitting in my tiny space in the heart and at the same time I was
in
my merkaba field. The space began to fill with white light and it
kept
filling until I was blinded. I couldn't see anything. And then when
the
light went away, it was a similar experience to a kundalini
experience,
the feeling in the body. And when that went away, I was above the
planet moving very quickly in my merkaba and the torial fields of
the heart.
At Stanford HeartMath, they have discovered that the largest
electromagnetic field that the body produces is produced from the
heart, not in
the mind, and it's in the shape of a torus, or a donut, and it's
about 8
to 10 feet in diameter. The axis of that torus, which would be like
if
you put a donut on the ground, is flat and runs right alongside of
the
axis of the spine, which is where the axis of the merkaba or the
light
body is. But they're separated by three or four inches, because the
heart is off center.
In this experience, which the indigenous people say they were
waiting
for me to have, the energy field of the heart aligned with the
energy
field of the Merkaba and they linked together. From that moment on,
I'm
in my heart space all the time. I'm in it right now. I'm consciously
in
it. I'm aware that I've linked the inner space of the heart and the
outer space of this world. So I can see through the eyes of the
mind, but
my heart space is governing what words are being said and what is
happening in my outer world. I'm no longer being controlled by my
thoughts
like I had been. It's an interesting experience.
There's one thing you have to understand: It really doesn't have
anything to do with me. This is just a phenomenon. I'm being used.
There are
others that they are using to try to reach us, to try to change us
so
that we can remember. So, I'm doing my best to find ways to reach
people
so they can have that experience and so that they can go out and
show
their families and other people how to have that experience and
where it
leads to.
I wrote down these words: "The Gathering Dream."
Drunvalo: That's kind of what it is. The dream is getting stronger
and
stronger and I think there's going to come a day when we all are
just
jumping up and down with joy.
I've always envisioned that underneath the chaos of the world, there
is
a wave of love coming that would eventually be like a Tsunami, just
overflowing everything with love.
Drunvalo: Well, there's more..and that would be something I could go
on
for a long time about. The inner Earth and the inner beings have a
lot
to do with this, because they are functioning totally from within
their
heart space. We're an experiment. We tried coming out from our
hearts
to live through our minds. It's not bad that we have done that. It's
not
even wrong. It's just we tried it and it doesn't work real well.
And we'll evolve out of it.
Drunvalo: It's OK to do this. It's even okay to have the technology.
It's just that we have to align our hearts with our minds and then
we
know exactly what to do and what not to do.
Well, the key is to be aware that something's not working
Drunvalo: So, there it i
Extraterrestrial UFOs Tell All Human Beings What To Do Using a
Cluster Of Unkown Technologies
From: Indiadaily.com
Apr. 24, 2005
We have just started fiddling around sound waves in the range of 200
to 220 KHz and are busy filing patents on the same. The sound can be
targeted to a human being and a new audio engineering is evolving
called hypersonic sound.
But according to scientists in many different parts of the world,
extraterrestrial are communicating with every human being all the
time at much higher frequencies all the time. At those frequency
levels you cannot call it "sound" any more. It is more of targeted
communication of mind than anything else.
All human beings, animals and plants also communicate at some higher
frequency levels. Some say as we learn and use "Technology of Human
Civilization", we are not focusing any more on those frequencies.
The fact that animals all left the Tsunami regions for higher ground
and so did the primitive tribes of Andaman and Nicobar islands says
that some level of communication exists.
Scientists and researchers are convinced that human beings are
guided, and communicated by the extraterrestrial all the time. The
UFOs all around the world monitors various technologies in place.
According to many researchers involved in earth's evolution and its
life forms agree that previous extinct animals and human
civilization harnessed capabilities of mind power and some different
types of intelligence. Human intelligence is based on pattern
matching in isolation. In the evolutionary chain that may not be the
ultimate thing that happened.
Extraterrestrial influence humans through minds control techniques
with many technologies unknown to us. We do have some clues to these
though. One of them is communication through ultrasonic frequencies.
Many believe human dreams and communication to the passive part of
the brain is what the extraterrestrial use. Many believe they use
mass communication techniques to all the humans and even animals.
The other technology that is known to our civilization is creating
charged ions in the environment that influences human brain
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