My fear is that I'd get a hold of someone in law enforcement that has no ability to understand the research I plan to do, and I'd just end up on their radar as someone to watch. Having to contact LE everytime a small peice of contraband is encountered would make the research impossible, but that may be the only way to do it legally.
Adrian On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Michael Douglas <[email protected]>wrote: > Actually upon reflection, I'm changing my story somewhat. You *need* > to turn it in & you need to see a lawyer too. (NOT IN THAT ORDER!) > > This is the best I can remember the quote from Special Agent Rob White > (damn skilled white hat & an all around nice guy) > "This data is contraband. You cannot just destroy it and walk away. > Imagine finding a kilo of coke at work. Very few would simply flush it > down the toilet and pretend nothing ever happened. Same with this data > (we were talking about kiddie porn and other data which is simply > illegal) you have to handle it correctly, you have to report it" > > I'd still talk with a lawyer first if for nothing else, it will help > you understand what rights *you* have and what the law enforcement > group you turn the data (again I really think you should) is and is > not permitted to do. > > Also, you need to be aware that things have shifted with regard to how > child porn is handled by law enforcement. It has been my unfortunate > experience that I've had to deal with this multiple times in my > career. What's sad, is that it seems all police forces have now dealt > with this issue enough that they have good policies and procedures and > are now able to handle things in a highly professional manner. so the > chances of them saying things like "oh lookie here! and how come you > have this sonny?" are almost nil. > > Best of luck! > - Mick > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Jack Daniel<[email protected]> wrote: > > Echoing Mick's answers- talk to a lawyer, and your local Infragard is > > probably a good resource. Do not make assumptions as to what would or > > would not be of value to law enforcement, allow the investigators to > > make those decisions. > > > > I am not a lawyer...but I would stop and document what I had done and > > what I thought I had found as soon as I discovered something > > potentially ugly and stop my investigation- then make contact with > > legal and/or law enforcement before proceeding. > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Michael Douglas <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> You *need* to consult a lawyer. > >> > >> Also it helps if you can reach out to your local law enforcement > >> community *before* you get in such a situation. The local InfraGard > >> chapter is pretty good where I'm at so I was able to get to know the > >> agents who covered these cases. > >> > >> Excellent question, but I don't think there's a stock answer... > >> > >> - Mick > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Adrian Crenshaw<[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> While doing research on anonymizing networks, what is the best policy > to > >>> follow concerning inadvertently captured contraband (child porn, > copyright > >>> infringing files, etc.)? In the case of child porn, the authorities > should > >>> be notified under normal circumstances, but with anonymizing networks > the > >>> origin of the files is hard if not impossible to determine. Would it be > >>> correct to just wipe the data after research on the network is done? > As I > >>> understand it, even having it on your hard drive because of > peripherally > >>> relevant research would be a crime. > >>> > >>> Adrian > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > Pauldotcom mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom > > Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Pauldotcom mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom > Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com >
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