Izwe Lethu To exist in order to kill the same PAC does not make us Pan Africanists under Pan Africanism banner. The same person who discourage us as youth to boycott election is big headed while misleading us let alone failing to consolidate the gains of PASMA. PASMA has manage to recruit youth of Azania without fear and those post graduates are now lost in the midst because PAYCO exists to destroy PAC. If you are really PAC members you'll understand that there are proceedures and rules to be followed to unseat someone, instead you have volunteer yourselves to be a leading example of political virus within PAC structures.
Now Charterist of PAYCO, you are disappointed that the PAC has successfully manage to retain its seat. You now entered a last kick of dying horse by demonizing the seat becuase you dismally failed to rally and unite Azanian Youth but rather resorted to be a political AIDS virus within PAC. PAYCO must first exists on your brothers and sisters, cousins, extended family, neighbourhood, area, town, region, province and country not on website only. I pause to give others to haul at me as they seems to be good on that. Umhlaba. *"Agitator"* [?][?][?] On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: Frank Talk > From: "Linda Ndebele" <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, April 28, 2009 13:41 > To: [email protected] > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Revolutionary greetings, > > I respond to cde Aphiwe's contribution of April 24,2009. The view > expressed is appreciated and respected. But it is extremely important to > distinguish a point of view from a fact. I am personally impressed by cde > Aphiwe's bravery. > > Allow me in this regard to correct some misconceptions: > Payco and Mphahlele must go: It is unfortunate that cde Aphiwe cannot see > the BIG difference between PAYCO and Mphahlele. Let me tabulate a few for > information purposes: > a.. We stand for a leftist Agenda, Mphahlele stands for a neo-liberal > Agenda b.. We stand for a GROWING mass based party,Mphahlele stand for a > mere 1 seat party c.. We stand for socialism,Mphahlele stands for the > unknown > d.. We stand for Pan Africanism,Mphahlele stands for confusion,hence the > Anti-Mugabe stance e.. We stand for democratic order,Mphahlele stands > for Autocracy,Hence the suspension of the NEC and Party constitution. > f.. We are pro-PAC,PAC is ant-PAC,hence the splits. > g.. We stand for unity of purpose,Mphahlele needs unity only towards > elections. h.. We accept our opponents as PAC members,Mphahlele rejects > everyone who dares to question his authority party membership. > IOTA PROGRAMME OF ACTION: I am glad son of the soil that you acknowledge > the effectiveness of the IOTA Programme,by attributing to it the election > of cde Mphahlele as PAC leader. Probably you cannot underestimate the > magnitute of the Qwa-Qwa Congress. It was a serious turn-around in the > history of the PAC. The PAC stood a chance of rebuilding and redefining > itself. That was as a result of thorough planning on the side of PAYCO and > other progressive forces as you correctly indicated. We are not ashamed > that we supported Mphahlele to lead PAC. At the time we were convinced > that he was equal to the task,owing to his rich background as a commander > and a military strategist. That he failed to live to the expectation > cannot be blamed to us,but to himself. Hence we were not ashamed to be the > first to demand his resignation. Mphahlele is a liability that has > destroyed PAC completely. We cannot afford him any day longe. We continue > to call for his resignation. I am glad son of the soil that atleast you > have woken to that reality. > > IOTA is the best revolutionary document that is informed by thorough > analysis of the Status Qou in the party and in the Country. It is founded > on sound ideological outlook and scientific political analysis. With IOTA > on our hands we would conquer any battle. > > Holding meetings in Hotels and Lodges: As much as I appreciate your > bravery I despise naivity on issues. Allow me to inform you that it is not > a crime to hold meetings in hotels and lodges. Also it is important to > note that the money we spend there is from our own pockets,we are not > financed by the party or anyone in that matter. As individual leaders we > spend almost R1000 minimum a month on party activities,without any > complaint. If the issue of the Hotels intended to embarrass us,I think the > contrary would be achieved. > > Organisation of Sobukwe: I think we should discourage the mentality of > heroworshipping individuals on the expense of the party,especially to > young africanist. This is the cancer that has destroyed so many liberation > movements. As much as I respect and believe in the greatness of Mangaliso > Sobukwe,I don't believe we should reduce the party to him as an > individual. There are many great leaders who have been overshadowed by > this mentality despite their contribution. PAC is bigger than all of us > including Sobukwe. I am sure Sobukwe would agree with me. Lets stop to > blackmail other Pan Africanist misusing the name of Sobukwe and other PAC > greats. > > Preach unity: We take our line of march from Pan Africanism,which preaches > unity. We believe in the unity of Africans from all corners of the globe. > We are also conscious of the fact that its more important for Pan > Africanist to unite soon to fast-track the unity of africans. We preach > unity of purpose. We believe there should be a vision and programme that > unites us. We should not speak unity only towards elections or to please > the curiosity of the media. Currently people want to use as cannon > forder,and we reject that notion with contempt. > > Killing PAYCO: Cde Aphiwe you are entitled to your opinion in this regard. > I am unable to respond adequately on this question as you have expantiated > your point. PAYCO is a political structure which deals with political > issues. You cannot relegate PAYCO on issues of Youth Commissions and Youth > councils. We reject the old school of thought that youth isssues are > sport,recreation,education,crime and drugs. We have dealt with General > political issues like: > a.. Youth governance > b.. Kutsong > c.. Zimbabwe > d.. Public sector union strike > e.. United States of Africa > f.. Restructuring of Sports federations > g.. South African Youth Council > h.. SA Youth Commission, to name but a few > We developed the following policy documents: > 1.. Youth Gorvenance policy > 2.. Zimbabwe position paper(having been annoyed by the neo-liberal > stance of Mphahlele's leadership) 3.. IOTA Programme of Action > PAYCO has been covered in the following media: > > a.. Daily sun > b.. SAPA > c.. City Press > d.. Ilanga LaseNatali > e.. Iso Lezwe > f.. Sowetan > g.. YFM > h.. SABC NEWS > i.. Ukhozi FM > j.. SAFM > k.. Ligwalagwala > l.. Mhlobo wenene,to name but a few > We are convinced that this NEC has kept PAYCO afloat despite the drowning > mother body. People should be conscious of the fact that PAYCO is part and > parcel of the PAC. We cannot be immuned from the problems affecting the > PAC. We may not be perfect,we admit our shortcomings,but blaming us for > killing PAYCO is really unfair. > > Let me assure you son of the soil that PAYCO Congress is comming in > September,and everyone is welcome. No Pan Africanist would be barred from > attending and contesting for any position. We accept all those who stand > with the PAC under these difficult conditions and bear all the > embarrasment caused by Mphahlele and has clique. > > We really appreciate frank points of view as presented by Cde Aphiwe. They > would help all of us to look back and learn from our mistakes. I appeal to > more comrades to come out and express themselves in this regard. > > Yours in socialist revolution > > Cde Linda Kwame Ndebele > PAYCO Secretary General > 0720682881 > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > > > Revolutionary greetings, > > I respond to cde Aphiwe's contribution of April 24,2009. The view expressed > is appreciated and respected. But it is extremely important to distinguish a > point of view from a fact. I am personally impressed by cde Aphiwe's > bravery. > > Allow me in this regard to correct some misconceptions: > *Payco and Mphahlele must go:* It is unfortunate that cde Aphiwe cannot > see the BIG difference between PAYCO and Mphahlele. Let me tabulate a few > for information purposes: > > - We stand for a leftist Agenda, Mphahlele stands for a neo-liberal > Agenda > - We stand for a GROWING mass based party,Mphahlele stand for a mere 1 > seat party > - We stand for socialism,Mphahlele stands for the unknown > - We stand for Pan Africanism,Mphahlele stands for confusion,hence the > Anti-Mugabe stance > - We stand for democratic order,Mphahlele stands for Autocracy,Hence > the suspension of the NEC and Party constitution. > - We are pro-PAC,PAC is ant-PAC,hence the splits. > - We stand for unity of purpose,Mphahlele needs unity only towards > elections. > - We accept our opponents as PAC members,Mphahlele rejects everyone who > dares to question his authority party membership. > > *IOTA PROGRAMME OF ACTION:* I am glad son of the soil that you acknowledge > the effectiveness of the IOTA Programme,by attributing to it the election of > cde Mphahlele as PAC leader. Probably you cannot underestimate the magnitute > of the Qwa-Qwa Congress. It was a serious turn-around in the history of the > PAC. The PAC stood a chance of rebuilding and redefining itself. That was as > a result of thorough planning on the side of PAYCO and other progressive > forces as you correctly indicated. We are not ashamed that we supported > Mphahlele to lead PAC. At the time we were convinced that he was equal to > the task,owing to his rich background as a commander and a military > strategist. That he failed to live to the expectation cannot be blamed to > us,but to himself. Hence we were not ashamed to be the first to demand his > resignation. Mphahlele is a liability that has destroyed PAC completely. We > cannot afford him any day longe. We continue to call for his resignation. I > am glad son of the soil that atleast you have woken to that reality. > > IOTA is the best revolutionary document that is informed by thorough > analysis of the Status Qou in the party and in the Country. It is founded on > sound ideological outlook and scientific political analysis. With IOTA on > our hands we would conquer any battle. > > *Holding meetings in Hotels and Lodges:* As much as I appreciate your > bravery I despise naivity on issues. Allow me to inform you that it is not a > crime to hold meetings in hotels and lodges. Also it is important to note > that the money we spend there is from our own pockets,we are not financed by > the party or anyone in that matter. As individual leaders we spend almost > R1000 minimum a month on party activities,without any complaint. If the > issue of the Hotels intended to embarrass us,I think the contrary would be > achieved. > > *Organisation of Sobukwe:* I think we should discourage the mentality of > heroworshipping individuals on the expense of the party,especially to young > africanist. This is the cancer that has destroyed so many liberation > movements. As much as I respect and believe in the greatness of Mangaliso > Sobukwe,I don't believe we should reduce the party to him as an individual. > There are many great leaders who have been overshadowed by this mentality > despite their contribution. PAC is bigger than all of us including Sobukwe. > I am sure Sobukwe would agree with me. Lets stop to blackmail other Pan > Africanist misusing the name of Sobukwe and other PAC greats. > > *Preach unity:* We take our line of march from Pan Africanism,which > preaches unity. We believe in the unity of Africans from all corners of the > globe. We are also conscious of the fact that its more important for Pan > Africanist to unite soon to fast-track the unity of africans. We preach > unity of purpose. We believe there should be a vision and programme that > unites us. We should not speak unity only towards elections or to please the > curiosity of the media. Currently people want to use as cannon forder,and we > reject that notion with contempt. > > *Killing PAYCO:* Cde Aphiwe you are entitled to your opinion in this > regard. I am unable to respond adequately on this question as you have > expantiated your point. PAYCO is a political structure which deals with > political issues. You cannot relegate PAYCO on issues of Youth Commissions > and Youth councils. We reject the old school of thought that youth isssues > are sport,recreation,education,crime and drugs. We have dealt with General > political issues like: > > - Youth governance > - Kutsong > - Zimbabwe > - Public sector union strike > - United States of Africa > - Restructuring of Sports federations > - South African Youth Council > - SA Youth Commission, to name but a few > > We developed the following policy documents: > > 1. Youth Gorvenance policy > 2. Zimbabwe position paper(having been annoyed by the neo-liberal > stance of Mphahlele's leadership) > 3. IOTA Programme of Action > > PAYCO has been covered in the following media: > > > - Daily sun > - SAPA > - City Press > - Ilanga LaseNatali > - Iso Lezwe > - Sowetan > - YFM > - SABC NEWS > - Ukhozi FM > - SAFM > - Ligwalagwala > - Mhlobo wenene,to name but a few > > We are convinced that this NEC has kept PAYCO afloat despite the drowning > mother body. People should be conscious of the fact that PAYCO is part and > parcel of the PAC. We cannot be immuned from the problems affecting the PAC. > We may not be perfect,we admit our shortcomings,but blaming us for killing > PAYCO is really unfair. > > Let me assure you son of the soil that PAYCO Congress is comming in > September,and everyone is welcome. No Pan Africanist would be barred from > attending and contesting for any position. We accept all those who stand > with the PAC under these difficult conditions and bear all the embarrasment > caused by Mphahlele and has clique. > > We really appreciate frank points of view as presented by Cde Aphiwe. They > would help all of us to look back and learn from our mistakes. I appeal to > more comrades to come out and express themselves in this regard. > > Yours in socialist revolution > > Cde Linda Kwame Ndebele > PAYCO Secretary General > 0720682881 > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress of Azania" group. 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