---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Where there is no vision,people perish From: "Linda Ndebele" <[email protected]> Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 14:46 To: [email protected] --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Revolutionary Greetings! I am convinced that the culture of debate is slowly but surely coming back in the party. I really enjoy debate,robust debate founded on ideological undestanding and clear political analysis and rich on facts. I respond to cde sinethemba whom I believe is not enriching our debate,but poisoning it with his hatred for PAYCO. I am certain that the comrade can produce the best argument if he can cut the hatred and be realistic in his thinking. I respect the point of views expressed and the Africanist. I wish to respond to the following issues: 1.. PAC would take its rightful place in Azania's politics It is important to be able to distinguish between fact and fiction. I am certain any person who believes PAC can do better under the leadership of cde Mphahlele is not living in the same planet with the rest of us. Mphahlele failed to reach targets he set for himself. PAC can only find its rightful place in Azania's political arena provided it take necessary steps to cleanse itself of visionless leaders and allowing all party members to make a contribution. I doubt,this is what cde sinethemba is implying reading the tone of his argument. Blaming PAYCO for the failure of PAC is nothing but an act of cowardice. It proves to all sane people the insanity of those leading the party. PAC did very well? Oh no come on dear Africanist, whom are you trying to bluff? Who can proudly say PAC perfomed well,after this dismal failure? Are you aware that PAC did not reach 20%, infact it could not score even 1%? Are you aware that it got one seat through the generocity of the electoral styem? PAC was not deserving any seat in terms of numbers. Are you aware that PAC did not reach the set quota? are you aware that when Mphahlele took over, PAC had 3 seats in the National Assembly and 1 MPL seat in Gauteng and 1 MPL seat in Eastern Cape. After being promised 20%,PAC could not maintain even those seats it had won in the 2004 General Elections. Don't turn PAC members into fools. PAC is worse off than 2004. Part of the reason some of us want change in leadership is to get rid of leaders who accept and embrace failure. We want a growing party and that cannot be achieved under Mphahlele. I am disappointed with the quality of members of PAC and PASMA who accept poor perfomance and go all out to defend failure. I am certain the founding members of PASO and PASMA are really embarssed. PASO and PASMA were embodiments of success and excellence. Please PASMA members come out and correct this unfortunate picture painted by cde sinethemba. APC and PAM As much as I don't share the views of APC or PAM in that matter,but I would not allow anyone to use them as a scapegoat to hid failure. Mphahlele holds a record of managing two breakaways in a space of two years in the history of PAC. It was through Mphahleles conduct that these Africanist left PAC,particularly PAM. Leave APC and PAM alone and explain why we could not reach 20% set target? Very soon we wiil launch our own I am glad that cde sinethemba recognises the importance of technology at this day and age. Electronic technology is key in communicating all messages,including politics. It can be used as well to propagate ideas and to network with fellow comrades. My only concern judging by the tone of cde sinethemba argument,probably all those who hold a different view would be barred from participating on theirs. Rest assured dear Africanist, you will always be free to express your point of view in ours. We are also willing to assist you in setting up yours,by the way we are comrades in the same Pan Africanist cause. Elitist programme I believe The Mayihlome Annual Lecture is an important programme that would enable us to express our position as Pan Africanist on National,Pan African and Global issues. We remain convinced that all Africans must be imbiebed with Pan Africanism including elites. Have you ever heard about revolutionary intellectualls. At one stage in history revolutionaries like Nkrumah,Sobukwe and Lumumba were referred to as elites. Mind you that revolutionary gatherings like the Pan African Congress and Africa Conference in Accra were once destribed as elitist programmes. PAYCO never existed in any Province I am certain cde Mema would not accept this statement as fact,since PAYCO is active in Western Cape. I am certain that cde Molapo would not agree with you as PAYCO is active in Mpumalanga. I would definately not agree with you because there are active PAYCO branches in KZN. I am certain as well that comrades in Limpompo and Gauteng would not agree with you. PAYCO is alive and kicking,but I may agree that it is not as active as we would like it to be. This is caused by a number of factors that I will expand on in future. PAC and PASMA made us I agree with you that we owe a lot of our successess to the PAC,hence we love the party and prepared to build it and defend its legacy. We have also lost so much for being PAC,but those were necessary sacrifices. We are grateful to PAC and PASMA,and we believe our gratitude can only be expressed best by loving,working and defending PAC and PASMA from monsters who want to destroy them. I think we would not apologise for working in big companies and holding good positions. We studied so as to acquire skills that would improve our lives,our families and our nation. We stand for economic emancipation of our people, not their impoverishment. Move away from this ill-conceived thinking that socialist must suffer and starve to be seen to be genuine. Stop listening to conspiracy theorise,they would confuse you and lead you to madness. The worst enemy of the PAC and its members is not Multinationals,but itself. PAC is weak,no multinational would fund anybody to destabilise an already destabilised PAC. Multinationals destabilise parties who are stable, monolethic and pose serious threat on their interest. Trying to form a party. We are not going to form any party,but take over from Mphahlele. We are loyal to the PAC. We remain members of the PAC and believe in the Vision and objects of the party. We want to correct the status quo,thats our only mission. Out of all people who have accused us of being anti-PAC,almost all of them have left to join other parties,crossed the floor and formed their parties,we remain loyal to the PAC. We are true custodians of the PAC vision and the legacy of its founding fathers. Loyalist and idolize leaders Rest assured MoAfrika,we don't want any loyalist or people who will idolize us. We are revolutionaries, we know quite well that revolution is bigger than all of us. We also recognise the danger of heroworshipping individuals. I hope some in the party can learn this lesson. In my 18 years as a loyal member of the PAC I have never Herowoshipped anyone including Sobukwe. To me the PAC deserves all the glory. Sbusiso Xaba I am irritated by your devisive approach in dealing with issues. Sbusiso Xaba is part of the comrades who support IOTA,infact he is part of those who crafted some aspects of the Programme of action. He is part of the Progressive forces who want to cleanse the party of visionless leaders. Sbusiso remains my leader and we believe he would be part of the leadership team that would lead PAC out of this quagmire into greater heigths. All of us remain party members,we have never left the party at any stage. Leave us alone or I say PAC alone PAC doe not belong to you or us as members of the PAC,It belongs to the nation,its founding fathers,those who died in the cause and many generations to come. I don't think you have the right to chase us from this revolutionary movement. Textbook approach and elitism This absurd thinking has driven a lot of intellectuals and competent leaders in the PAC. No party can survive without intellectuals. Mind you,Karl Marx,Mao Zedong,Nkrumah And Sobukwe were all intellectualls. Lets not reinvent the wheel. It was long been concluded that education makes the person intellectually better than the illiterate one. Lets encourage students to study and excell. We should not be ashamed to be educated and be part of the struggle to enhance our revolution. Role of the youth structure I reject the notion that the role of the youth structure is to recruit youth only for the mother body. We believe our role is to partake in all aspects of party management,including decision making,party adminstration,planning and implementation of party programmes. We remain a legitimate component structure of the PAC side by side with PASMA and other Component structures including APLAMVA. You are free to establish a structure that seeks to heroworship Mphahlele. I am greteful to all comrades who continue to engage us on a variety of issues. We hope this would help to narrow the wedge between us. The question that continues to puzzles my mind is,When would the ruling party experience this hatred directed to us by Mphahlele and his surrogates? Thanx again comrades. Cde Kwame Ndebele PAYCO Secretary General ------------------------------------------- South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za ------------------------------------------------------------------ For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress of Azania" group. 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Revolutionary Greetings!
I am convinced that the culture of debate is slowly
but surely coming back in the party. I really enjoy debate,robust debate founded
on ideological undestanding and clear political analysis and rich on
facts.
I respond to cde sinethemba whom I
believe is not enriching our debate,but poisoning it with his hatred for PAYCO.
I am certain that the comrade can produce the best argument if he can cut
the hatred and be realistic in his thinking. I respect the point of views
expressed and the Africanist. I wish to respond to the following
issues:
It is important to be able to distinguish between
fact and fiction. I am certain any person who believes PAC can do better
under the leadership of cde Mphahlele is not living in the same planet with the
rest of us. Mphahlele failed to reach targets he set for himself. PAC can only
find its rightful place in Azania's political arena provided it take necessary
steps to cleanse itself of visionless leaders and allowing all party members to
make a contribution. I doubt,this is what cde sinethemba is implying
reading the tone of his argument. Blaming PAYCO for the failure of PAC is
nothing but an act of cowardice. It proves to all sane people the insanity of
those leading the party.
PAC did very
well?
Oh no come on dear Africanist, whom are you trying
to bluff? Who can proudly say PAC perfomed well,after this dismal failure? Are
you aware that PAC did not reach 20%, infact it could not score even 1%? Are you
aware that it got one seat through the generocity of the electoral styem? PAC
was not deserving any seat in terms of numbers. Are you aware that PAC did not
reach the set quota? are you aware that when Mphahlele took over, PAC had 3
seats in the National Assembly and 1 MPL seat in Gauteng and 1 MPL seat in
Eastern Cape. After being promised 20%,PAC could not maintain even those seats
it had won in the 2004 General Elections. Don't turn PAC members into fools. PAC
is worse off than 2004. Part of the reason some of us want change in leadership
is to get rid of leaders who accept and embrace failure. We want a growing party
and that cannot be achieved under Mphahlele. I am disappointed with the quality
of members of PAC and PASMA who accept poor perfomance and go all out to defend
failure. I am certain the founding members of PASO and PASMA are really
embarssed. PASO and PASMA were embodiments of success and excellence. Please
PASMA members come out and correct this unfortunate picture painted by cde
sinethemba.
APC and
PAM
As much as I don't share the views of APC or PAM in
that matter,but I would not allow anyone to use them as a scapegoat to hid
failure. Mphahlele holds a record of managing two breakaways in a space of two
years in the history of PAC. It was through Mphahleles conduct that these
Africanist left PAC,particularly PAM. Leave APC and PAM alone and explain why we
could not reach 20% set target?
Very soon we wiil launch our
own
I am glad that cde sinethemba recognises the
importance of technology at this day and age. Electronic technology is key in
communicating all messages,including politics. It can be used as well to
propagate ideas and to network with fellow comrades. My only concern judging by
the tone of cde sinethemba argument,probably all those who hold a different view
would be barred from participating on theirs. Rest assured dear Africanist, you
will always be free to express your point of view in ours. We are also willing
to assist you in setting up yours,by the way we are comrades in the same Pan
Africanist cause.
Elitist
programme
I believe The Mayihlome Annual Lecture is an
important programme that would enable us to express our position as Pan
Africanist on National,Pan African and Global issues. We remain convinced that
all Africans must be imbiebed with Pan Africanism including elites. Have you
ever heard about revolutionary intellectualls. At one stage in history
revolutionaries like Nkrumah,Sobukwe and Lumumba were referred to as elites.
Mind you that revolutionary gatherings like the Pan African Congress and Africa
Conference in Accra were once destribed as elitist programmes.
PAYCO never existed in any
Province
I am certain cde Mema would not accept this
statement as fact,since PAYCO is active in Western Cape. I am certain that cde
Molapo would not agree with you as PAYCO is active in Mpumalanga. I would
definately not agree with you because there are active PAYCO branches in KZN. I
am certain as well that comrades in Limpompo and Gauteng would not agree
with you. PAYCO is alive and kicking,but I may agree that it is not as active as
we would like it to be. This is caused by a number of factors that I will
expand on in future.
PAC and PASMA made
us
I agree with you that we owe a lot of our
successess to the PAC,hence we love the party and prepared to build it and
defend its legacy. We have also lost so much for being PAC,but those were
necessary sacrifices. We are grateful to PAC and PASMA,and we believe our
gratitude can only be expressed best by loving,working and defending PAC
and PASMA from monsters who want to destroy them.
I think we would not apologise for working in big
companies and holding good positions. We studied so as to acquire skills that
would improve our lives,our families and our nation. We stand for economic
emancipation of our people, not their impoverishment. Move away from this
ill-conceived thinking that socialist must suffer and starve to be seen to be
genuine. Stop listening to conspiracy theorise,they would confuse you and lead
you to madness.
The worst enemy of the PAC and its members is not
Multinationals,but itself. PAC is weak,no multinational would fund anybody to
destabilise an already destabilised PAC. Multinationals destabilise parties who
are stable, monolethic and pose serious threat on their interest.
Trying to form a
party.
We are not going to form any party,but take over
from Mphahlele. We are loyal to the PAC. We remain members of the PAC
and believe in the Vision and objects of the party. We want to correct the
status quo,thats our only mission. Out of all people who have accused us of
being anti-PAC,almost all of them have left to join other parties,crossed the
floor and formed their parties,we remain loyal to the PAC. We are true
custodians of the PAC vision and the legacy of its founding
fathers.
Loyalist and idolize
leaders
Rest assured MoAfrika,we don't want any loyalist or
people who will idolize us. We are revolutionaries, we know quite well that
revolution is bigger than all of us. We also recognise the danger of
heroworshipping individuals. I hope some in the party can learn this lesson. In
my 18 years as a loyal member of the PAC I have never Herowoshipped anyone
including Sobukwe. To me the PAC deserves all the glory.
Sbusiso
Xaba
I am irritated by your devisive approach in
dealing with issues. Sbusiso Xaba is part of the comrades who support
IOTA,infact he is part of those who crafted some aspects of the
Programme of action. He is part of the Progressive forces who want
to cleanse the party of visionless leaders.
Sbusiso remains my leader and we believe he would be part of the leadership team
that would lead PAC out of this quagmire into greater heigths. All of us
remain party members,we have never left the party at any stage.
Leave us alone or I say PAC
alone
PAC doe not belong to you or us as members of the
PAC,It belongs to the nation,its founding fathers,those who died in the
cause and many generations to come. I don't think you have the right
to chase us from this revolutionary movement.
Textbook approach and
elitism
This absurd thinking has driven a lot of
intellectuals and competent leaders in the PAC. No party can survive without
intellectuals. Mind you,Karl Marx,Mao Zedong,Nkrumah And Sobukwe were all
intellectualls. Lets not reinvent the wheel. It was long been concluded
that education makes the person intellectually better than the illiterate one.
Lets encourage students to study and excell. We should not be ashamed to be
educated and be part of the struggle to enhance our revolution.
Role of the youth
structure
I reject the notion that the role of the youth
structure is to recruit youth only for the mother body. We believe our role
is to partake in all aspects of party management,including decision
making,party adminstration,planning and implementation of party programmes.
We remain a legitimate component structure of the PAC side by side
with PASMA and other Component structures including APLAMVA. You are free to
establish a structure that seeks to heroworship Mphahlele.
I am greteful to all comrades who continue to
engage us on a variety of issues. We hope this would help to narrow the
wedge between us. The question that continues to puzzles my mind is,When would
the ruling party experience this hatred directed to us by Mphahlele and his
surrogates?
Thanx again comrades.
Cde Kwame Ndebele
PAYCO Secretary General
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