---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: mavela From: "sello mafrika Tladi" <[email protected]> Date: Mon, June 22, 2009 22:25 To: [email protected] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh what a response!informed and precise to the point. Comrade Jabu you have done a great work in educating my dear comrade Mavela on how to handle political matters and to understand internal dynamics.
My major problem with cde Mavela is his hatred for PAYCO which blinds him from reality and failure to argue or speak to the issue at hand. I struggled to find any relevance to his response to cde Sello,infact he was not responding to him but he was raising new issues that had nothing to do with what Sello had raised. The basic rule when you are involve in a debate/discourse is to be relevant and speak to the issue at hand directly. The issue raised by Sello is simple and straight forward, He rejects the creation of the so called PACYL and supports PAYCO as the true youth wing of the party. This is the question you should deal with in an elaborate manner and raise new issues afterwards. Do you support the cration of a PACYL that seeks to serve the individual over and above the party? Do you support the processess followed in this exercise? Do you think PAYCO leadership and structures did not deserve to be consulted and have a say on a decision that affect them? Do you think party structures are there to serve the individual or the party? Is the President justified to disband structures for criticising and challenging his conduct? Do you support PAYCO or PACyl? I think son of the soil you still need serious political classes to understand the basics of politics. Your views on Zimbabwe are so ill-informed you sound like a newly recruited DA member who is trying to impress white masters. The Zimbabwean situation is so complex and requires deeper political understanding to be able to comment accurately on it. Anyone whose source of information on Zimbabwe is SABC,ETV,CNN,BBC,Mail&Guardian and many liberal newspapers would make a similar analogy as you did on Zimbabwe. The least said on this regard the better. Your contributions on this group continue to be appreciated. My only hope is that you'll be able to repent and join forces with those who stand for the true PAC principles. Yours in socialist revolution. Kwame Ndebele PAYCO Secretary General Visit:www.mayihlome.wordpress.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jabu Makhanya <[email protected]> Date: Jun 22, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: Fw: mavela To: [email protected] ----- Forwarded Message ---- *From:* Jabu Makhanya <[email protected]> *To:* [email protected] *Sent:* Monday, June 22, 2009 1:47:40 PM *Subject:* mavela I'm not a member of PAYCO but I support their effort of rescuing the already sunk PAC. What I have noticed about your articles is that you seem to have a negative attitude towards PAYCO leadership and by that, you just wasting their precious time forgetting that they're not being paid for for embarking on a mission to save the PAC. What I have also realised from you is that you think you're a lover of PAC more than anybody else.Your arguments do not help salvage the PAC. The reverse gear you are talking about is nobody else but yourself. Being an ordinary member of the PAC myself, my hope is pinned in PAYCO as the only structure which can save the PAC. Talking with the PAC leadership is unfortunately an outdated approach because attempts to make Letlapa understand meaning of talks have failed in many occasions. For your own sake, Letlapa is currently not interested in any talks which will affect him and his cronies. I will encourage you to engage Letlapa about talks you are talking about and if he accepts, I will gladly request you to invite us to those talks. My branch has written several letters advising him about many issues about his leadership and he ignored us and the result is what you can observe today in the PAC provided you ability to observe if not you're unfortunate and I'll advise you to be patient and learn more particulary from PAYCO leadership. Furthermore, leaders come and go therefore we cannot compromise the future of the PAC at the expense of an individual. Letlapa is a messenger of the PAC memebers and not of his cronies. If you fail to adopt this principle, you cannot lead the PAC with dignity and you're doomed into a failure. To correct you, Morgan Tsangerai did not join the government of national unity to save Zimbabwe, Tsangerai did not in the first place supported the government of national unity. Tsangerai is a brainchild of Britain and America to distabilse Zanu-PF in a bid to recolonise Zimbabwe. Tsangerai was calling for sanctions against his own country, Zimbabwe because he knew that hungry Zimbwabeans wiil rebel against Zan-PF. Again.I'll will humbly request you to learn more about international affairs. If you are not prepared to appreciate what PAYCO leadership is trying to do, you have a right to shut up and remain a stooge of Letlapa. Lastly, you must know that any dogmatic mentality cannot withstand a revolutionary and visionary approach. 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From: Jabu Makhanya <[email protected]>
Date: Jun 22, 2009 1:52 PM
Subject: Fw: mavela
To: [email protected]
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From: Jabu Makhanya <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:47:40 PM
Subject: mavela
From: Jabu Makhanya <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:47:40 PM
Subject: mavela
I'm not a member of PAYCO but I support their effort of rescuing the already sunk PAC. What I have noticed about your articles is that you seem to have a negative attitude towards PAYCO leadership and by that, you just wasting their precious time forgetting that they're not being paid for for embarking on a mission to save the PAC. What I have also realised from you is that you think you're a lover of PAC more than anybody else.Your arguments do not help salvage the PAC. The reverse gear you are talking about is nobody else but yourself.
Being an ordinary member of the PAC myself, my hope is pinned in PAYCO as the only structure which can save the PAC. Talking with the PAC leadership is unfortunately an outdated approach because attempts to make Letlapa understand meaning of talks have failed in many occasions. For your own sake, Letlapa is currently not interested in any talks which will affect him and his cronies. I will encourage you to engage Letlapa about talks you are talking about and if he accepts, I will gladly request you to invite us to those talks.
My branch has written several letters advising him about many issues about his leadership and he ignored us and the result is what you can observe today in the PAC provided you ability to observe if not you're unfortunate and I'll advise you to be patient and learn more particulary from PAYCO leadership. Furthermore, leaders come and go therefore we cannot compromise the future of the PAC at the expense of an individual. Letlapa is a messenger of the PAC memebers and not of his cronies. If you fail to adopt this principle, you cannot lead the PAC with dignity and you're doomed into a failure.
To correct you, Morgan Tsangerai did not join the government of national unity to save Zimbabwe, Tsangerai did not in the first place supported the government of national unity. Tsangerai is a brainchild of Britain and America to distabilse Zanu-PF in a bid to recolonise Zimbabwe. Tsangerai was calling for sanctions against his own country, Zimbabwe because he knew that hungry Zimbwabeans wiil rebel against Zan-PF. Again.I'll will humbly request you to learn more about international affairs.
If you are not prepared to appreciate what PAYCO leadership is trying to do, you have a right to shut up and remain a stooge of Letlapa. Lastly, you must know that any dogmatic mentality cannot withstand a revolutionary and visionary approach.
Jabu
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