-----Original Message----- From: Mawande Jack Sent: 16 August 2009 12:01 PM To: 'luthando popo' Subject: RE: Emailing: DISA - Interview with Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe
Son of the Soil We ourselves engaged in these polemics right from the time we established Azanyu of which I served as its national organisor and subsequently its national deputy president especially at the height of fierce battles against the racist minority settler-colonialist regime in the mid-eighties.Remember it was not just a raging ideological debate solely within the Africanist movement but was dictated by the prevailing conditions of the time where there was a phenomenal rise in workers' struggles in tandem with the proliferation of trade unions wrought by rapid industrialisation, migratory labour, detribilisation and urbanisation processes that were in vogue especially since the 1970s.There was indeed a need to re-examine the character of the PAC in terms of its ideology, how it positions itself as the viable force in the midst of these objective conditions and how the national question pertaining to land reconquest should be articulated. The movement outside under chairman Nyathi Pokela and later Johnson Mlambo has long steered the party and ideologically oriented it along a socialist line, with strategies, programmes and tactics galvanised along Marxist-Leninist principles especially the party's principal method of struggle (armed struggle) taking more a Maoist line of a people's war. The likes of Ntantala and Gqobose were the ones entrusted by Sobukwe and Zephania Mothopeng to elaborate all these. I was the one with the Azanyu national leadership who met with Uncle Zeph who was the PAC president at the time for clarity on this in 1989.It is instructive to say,Mothopeng, speaking to us at his home in Orlando,declared that our (party)line could also be understood as "Marxism-Sobukweism" emphasising to us that the party has inlike the SACP or Trotskytes has "successfully fused the national and social question" and that in Frantz Fanonian terms in colonial contexts the economic base and ideological superstructure were synonimous, one had the same determinate potency as the other.This debate with Mothopeng and especially key party ideologues like Jafta Masemola, Mehlo Mbali and Malcolm Dyani was also necessitated by the attacks on our ideology by the UDF, Azapo and the New Unity Movement which seemed bent on imposing an important version of socialism. Ours they said has always been that "communism or any other ideologies must be in the service of Africa and that the material conditions and national interests of the African people must give the kind of socialism we persue a peculiar character." Mothopeng even went to the extent that "we are not in service of communism but of Africa." Had you been the member of Azanyu at the time, you would have understood these things.Read the preamble of the constitution of Azanyu, Paso, Awo, PAM and principles of Nactu. All these were contained in the PAC's New Road of the Revolution, and the party's Organisor's Manual. Lastly, what you extract from Sobukwe's inaugural speech is merely about how the PAC would position itself in the Cold-Ward superpower rivalry - through positive neutrality. Sobukwe there is not talking about whether we are socialist or nationalist other than saying we do not belong to any of the two imperialist blocks. In that regard alone,the party would assume a nationalist stance of being pro-Africa and not being dictated by any one of the two superpower blocks.It is also very important to understand that while African nationalism which both Lembede and the party manifesto assert as the "liberation creed" or anti-thesis to white domination it is not the final solution to the politiocal, economic and social problems besetting the continent hence its revolutionary character can only be found within the whole philosophy of Pan-Africanism which is "the total liberation and unification of Africa on the basis of scientific socialism." It was no error on the party to have as its second aim the establishment of an Africanist Socialist social order.Why the term "socialst" not nationalist social order. It is because African nationalism in the era of global monopoly capitalism must confront not only racism and colonialism but must deal with the underlying issue of capitalist exploitation and the global division of labour. Izwe lethu!! Mawande -----Original Message----- From: luthando popo [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 14 August 2009 05:18 PM To: Mawande Jack Subject: Re: Emailing: DISA - Interview with Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe Thanks noble son I would read them and take it from there. But he was a nationalist Sobukwe and love Marxism that is why are say he went beyond it. PAC is a nationalist organisation. I would engaged you on this ideology level. 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