---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: RE: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation] From: [email protected] Date: Tue, August 25, 2009 13:44 To: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: RE: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation] From: [email protected] Date: Tue, August 25, 2009 13:11 To: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Son of the soil, Your response is highly appreciated,and we respect your opinion of us and what we stand for. I am certain that it is in the culture of debate that we would not agree from time to time and therefore engage each other on robust debates. Allow me to address some of the issues you have raised: A.PAYCO Boys I think MoAfrika you joined politics by accident and you did not apply your mind before joining a political party. In a political party there are no boys or old-timers. In politics we are all equal and our views are weighed in a similar manner, whether you are youth or veteran. Anyone who think his or her views should be given special preferance because he is a senior,probably joined the wrong party,may I recomend IFP or Dinkwankwenhla and UCDP. I really take offence from anyone calling me a boy rather than engaging me on political issues. B.PAYCO message to the PAC Let me remind you son of the soil that PAC is not a private property for Mphahlele and Co. PAC belongs to the masses of our people,freedom fighters who laid their lifes in defence of our people, and to posterity. Our party is made up of structures that must be able to communicate with each other and with the party. No one would instruct us not to communicate with PAC. We respect PAC hence we are all out to defend its legacy that is currently being urinated by Mphahlele and co. We respect PAC and its members hence we are opposed to the smuggling of the anti-PAC constitution by Mphahlele and co. We respect PAC because we always communicate our positions and decisions with party structures rather than remembering them when a court has decided against you. C.My President is not your President You are correct son of the soil,we don't regard that lunatic as our President,Thanks to the living spirits of Sobukwe and other revolutionaries, the courts ruled that he is not a President for anything. Unfortunately MoAfrika he is not even a President to you right now. PAC needs a President that can rise above the differences,factions and unite the party. We need a charismatic and visionary leader to lead PAC to greater heights. D.PAC and 1 seat MoAfrika we are not going to send Mphahlele any letter,we would send a letter to the Speaker demanding his immediate removal as PAC parliamentarian. We have no business with Mphahlele and we would not waste time writing to him,he is nothing to us. The only letter we can write to him would be to acknowledge his resignation,and with the following words "Good ridance". I prefer to ignore your accusation that PAYCO costed you seats,suffice to raise the following questions: -Is it the same PAYCO that has no branches? -Is it the same PAYCO that has no support in the PAC? -Is it the same PAYCO that draws support from Girlfriends? -Is it the same weak PAYCO? I think you like to give us credit and accollades even when we are not interested. D.Prodigal sons I think you are missing the point son of the soil,we have never left PAC. we remain PAC and some of us would die PAC. You are the ones who are prodigal sons as you are out there aping the ANCyl and dividing PAC. PAYCO is the only true and legitimate heir to AZANYU. Continue to bluff yourselves, history would be the judge. E.Say one thing and do the other PAYCO is made up of principled cdes,who cannot at any point heroworship any individual to the detriment of the party and its unity. We would never be party to a club of praise-singers and fools. Who are your enermies by the way,that we are serving,is it PAC members,PAC component Structures,PAC branches,PAC Stalwarts and PAC constitution? We are not ashamed to serve the above enermies of Mphahlele and co. F.Pitso,Derrick and Tumelo I respect you as comrades and hope you will find it in your heart to repent and follow the correct path. The more you make these lousy accusations you are espousing yourself intellectually and politically. Stop writing your political suicide,you are standing against revolution and you will be smashed,watch this space. G.Violence Son of the soil,lets just shy away from violence.PAC enermy has always been an oppressive system and oppressors. Despite our differences I don't regard you as my enermy,please just forget violence among comrades,its a new culture brought by your leader. Thapelo is our National Organiser and Political Commissar and we believe in him and his capabilities as a leader and as a debator. I think you should rather redirect that line to your leader,as he only knows violence against those who hold a dissenting view. Thanks son of the soil for the opportunity to engage us,in future just write directly to us this network is freely accessible to all who are not allergic to debate and to the truth,hence I will ensure that you are registered. We would not block your communication,as we live and enjoy robust debate. Yours for a classless society. KWAME NDEBELE PAYCO Secretary General ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation From: "Tumelo Segakweng" <[email protected]> Date: Tue, August 25, 2009 09:37 To: "'Andiswa Mjali'" <[email protected]> "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> "'Narius Moloto'" <[email protected]> Cc: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Andiswa, Hope this mail finds you well. Through you , I need to address the Parco boys directly and with all due respect request that you block their communication to the PAC, which they do not respect. Kevin and Linda I said it before and I will say it again, My president is not your President so I do not expect you to send any letters to his office, in case you are not aware we have only 1 seat in parliament thanks to you and your weak organization cos had it not been for PAYCO we would have obtain more seat than one. So stop sending him your rubbish. If your organization is going to a congress then tell that to people who care,but, hey I know why you send it to us, you are prodigal sons who want to come back home and the only way to come home is by you dropping your acts and joining the PACYL as members. You guys are agents of our struggle's enemy and it pains me to see such active young men like yourselves confused in a way you are, you say one thing and do another. As the national spokesperson for PACYL until the congress why don't you engage me and other coordinator like Pitso and Derrick. And as for the issue of assault I suggest that you be very civil about your approach to politics, cos clearly you think we are scared and afraid of you but we are not. Linda I need you to disciple Thapelo in Pretoria tell him PAC is not a Boxing ring if he wants to talk he must use the facility we called mouth and not fist. ________________________________ From: Andiswa Mjali [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 August 2009 03:04 PM To: Tumelo Segakweng; [email protected] Subject: FW: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation FYI ________________________________ From: Andiswa Mjali [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 August 2009 01:43 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Fw: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation FYI ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 10:22:23 Subject: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation Revolutionary Greetings!!! Kindly receive the signed Congress Invitation. Pleace circulate it far and wide as possible. Yours in socialist revolution. 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Dear Andiswa,
Hope this mail finds you well.
Through you , I need to address the Parco boys directly
and with all due respect request that you block their communication to the
PAC, which they do not respect.
Kevin and Linda I said it before and I will say it
again, My president is not your President so I do not expect you to send any
letters to his office, in case you are not aware we have only 1 seat in
parliament thanks to you and your weak organization cos had it not
been for PAYCO we would have obtain more seat than one. So stop sending
him your rubbish. If your organization is going to a congress then tell that to
people who care,but, hey I know why you send it to us, you are prodigal sons who
want to come back home and the only way to come home is by you dropping your
acts and joining the PACYL as members.
You guys are agents of our struggle's enemy and it
pains me to see such active young men like yourselves confused in a way you are,
you say one thing and do another. As the national spokesperson for PACYL until
the congress why don't you engage me and other coordinator like Pitso and
Derrick.
And as for the issue of assault I suggest that you be
very civil about your approach to politics, cos clearly you think we are scared
and afraid of you but we are not. Linda I need you to disciple Thapelo in
Pretoria tell him PAC is not a Boxing ring if he wants to talk he must use the
facility we called mouth and not fist.
From: Andiswa Mjali [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 18 August 2009 03:04 PM
To: Tumelo Segakweng; [email protected]
Subject: FW: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation
FYI
From: Andiswa Mjali [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 18 August 2009 01:43 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Fw: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation
FYI
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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 10:22:23
Subject: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation
Revolutionary Greetings!!!
Kindly receive the signed Congress Invitation. Pleace circulate it far and
wide as possible.
Yours in socialist revolution.
Kwame Ndebele
PAYCO Secretary General
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To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 10:22:23
Subject: [PAYCO] Congress Invitation
Revolutionary Greetings!!!
Kindly receive the signed Congress Invitation. Pleace circulate it far and
wide as possible.
Yours in socialist revolution.
Kwame Ndebele
PAYCO Secretary General
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