Comrade Nkrumha Thanks for this information and I will archive it for future references.
You don't fail to provide solution even if other comrades may disregard it without alternative solution or programme. May you continue to do so Noble Son. Regards Mavela "Agitator" On 5/31/12, Nkrumah Kgagudi <[email protected]> wrote: > Comrades > > > > Pursuing the dialogue further tough decisions and resolution must be taken > which should focus the party through leadership to focus itself on mass > mobilisation and seizure of state political power. It is my view that > through seizure of state power, it will give us a political impetus to > advance a Pan Africanist programme of social transformation and unification > of Africa. > > > > Thus I advance the following for consideration: > > · The President & Deputy, Secretary General and Deputy, Secretary > for Finance, National Organiser, including all Secretaries ( Economic, > Labour, Publicity, Pan African Affairs, etc) should not be deployed to > parliament and/or provincial legislature, theirs is fulltime occupation > political work for seizure of political power. > > · This suggests that the party should function with fulltime NEC > whose day-to-day interests and duty is party political work, thus the > party > national leadership may only be deployed to parliament if the party in > accordance to the strategic equilibrium thought is a leading opposition > targeting next election for a political takeover. > > · There should be a separation of party deployees to parliament and > provincial legislatures including RECs and BEC, so as to permit party > political structures (NEC, PEC, REC and BEC) to focus their daily political > work on mass mobilisation and growing the party to capture political power > by all and any means possible. > > · Party deployees should account to NEC thus guided by the party > political programme it should only be the best party cadres who will be > deployed to represent the party at any public institution such as > parliament. > > · Party members who should be considered to serve as NEC and PEC > members should have a records of service and demonstrated capability to > lead > and leadership such as handling constructively inner party contradictions, > leading campaigns, ideologically sound (grounded) and other organisational > and political capabilities. > > · Persons (members) with at least 20 years of active membership > (card carrying) as PAC members should be adequately grounded about the > history, ideology, politics and ultimate goal for the party thus should be > considered for national leadership. > > · Adopt a principle of generation mix for cohesion (young, middle > age and old) across all party structures to create a systematic in-build > continuity. > > · The Party should have adequately resourced departments for > optimum > functioning and organisational performance. > > · Immediate intermediate organisational performance outcomes > through > leadership should be: > > o Within three years the PAC should be in the mainstream political > discourse of public policy across the continent including within the > country; > > o Within three years PAC should have assumed a mass based character with > an adequately mobilisation of cultural and sports formations, youth and > students, women and workers in various community based and non profit > organisations. > > o Within five years PAC should have mobilised (workers, youths, students, > women and any progress formation) across the African continent and > diaspora > to the political agenda of African Unity on a socialist programme thus > among key campaign projects should be the launching Africa Without Borders > and African Unity campaigns all underpinned by the Economic Status > Campaign. > > o > > Regards > > Nkrumah > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Dzumbu Mmbara > Sent: 31 May 2012 08:43 AM > To: PAYCO > Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > > > > MuAfurika Mashao, > > I thinks its noble that in your response to the step by step solution > requested by Cde Motswaledi there is no mention of a congress and of a list > of people who should occupy leadership positions or swap leadership > positions with Letlapa & Co. > > It is disturbing and i think, it has dwarfed our movement, that most among > us want to be in leadership for leadership sake; or because it looks > prestigious in our CV's; or to finally have a chance to fulfill ambitions > that still linger in our leadership aspirations. Its almost a selfish > excercise that has very little to do with the development of the movement > and its simillar to the shallow excercise of going for national or local > elections as a party whilst for the full four years we were no where to be > seen. > > Most worrying is that most among us have no clear goal of overthrowing the > current puppet regime for the benfit of the masses; for many all we hope > for > is a chance to earn better than our peer whilst just sitting in parliament. > And that mere fact of wanting to become part of the partliament is a > collaborationist mentality (Comrades will rememer that Godi was also of > this > mentality and he has lived up to it albeit outside the movement). A > revolutionary movement cannot be party to a reactionary parliament; cause > that excerise reduces the movement to a parasite of the state hence we are > always begging state agencies for funds, running to the IEC and all that > whilst we should be working with the masses leading and fueling the already > impatient masses demonstrating everyday into a fully fledge revolution that > would not only bring about the downfall of Zuma but of the entire state > machinery. We have the capablity (and the capacity, the masses are our > capacity), we have history on our side what we lack is the politial will to > give up our material comfort we are happy with our state sponsored > salaries, > state sponsored surburbian homes and our our state funded german cars. > Hence > our ambitions for leadership are not backed by any revolutionary program of > Action. And it is incorrect to say leadership dictates programe of action. > In the corporate world, executive leadership gets the mandate from a board > which gets a mandate from the the shareholders, all executive leaderships > does is to formulate the activities necessary to fullfill the program of > the > shareholders, which is fundamentally profit making. In PAC politics, > Sobukwe > articulated the program of action of the PAC he didnt formulate it, he > merely articulated the aspirations of the masses in his position as a > leader > of the vanguard of the masses, that should not be confused with formulating > a program of action. Our program of action must be dictated by the > aspirations of the masses and formulated from the ground up. Until we have > a > clear program of actions anyone aspiring to lead, without shedding any > light > on why he or she feels is a represantative of the aspirations of the > masses, > does so in the interest and for the full benefit of the self. > > If i may borrow from the framework used by the Man in the holy book, > comrades we need to repent. We need to fully acknowledge that we have sold > out and failed the masses. All we have aspired for is leadership hence some > have called us a party of leaders. We have collaborate with the ANC into > ruining and defrauding the masses. We have traded the spirit of Sobukwe for > material comfort. We need to come to full terms with the reality that > unless > we want to overthrow the current regime and bring about a pn-Africanist > socialist democracy in this country, we have no reason to be a political > party other than irrational sentiments and need for space to further > personal ambitions. Those who are ready to stop collaborating with the sell > out regime, loose their jobs, their homes and their fancy lifestyles; only > they should lead the party. And as a matter of revolutionary principle, the > PAC must move out of parliament and stop collaborating with the system; the > PAC must only be found were the masses are, in the street of Kutsong, > brits, > kwathema, zandspruit and other areas were masses are already up in arms > against the puppet regime. Being part of partliament has not brought about > any progressive impact to the movement other than secure a grand life for > the collaborationist leaders disguised as Pan-Africanists. The masses are > already up in arms and all they beg is revolutionary leadership from a > revolutionary movement. > > as i pause, One day i attended a Lecture in TUT. As the lecture was > progressing a young lady who say infront of us, asked the friend "Why are > they always talking about the revolution, when is it starting, why dont we > start now?" And i think that question is being asked across the country > while the revolutionary movement is locked in leadership debates in stead > of > providing leadership. Sobukwe never campaigned for leadership, when > Africanists(who then were informaly organized and lead by Lebalo within the > ANC) recruited him to lead the movement it was solely because he had > demostrated a hunger and a passion for the masses not for presidency or any > other office in the party and until we emulate him we are off the mark and > history will judge us harshly. > > > Shango Lashu > Dzumbu > > _____ > > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:20:33 +0000 > > Comrade Motsoaledi, it is great to have you here son of the soil. I will > make a 'transactional' attempt at the question. This I say because a step > by > step is a near impossibility, but I will make an attempt. > > The first thing is that we should engage in robust talk and discussions as > we are doing and perhaps have been for a while. This may look dilatory but > the benefits are incalculable. By engaging in this the bar and standards > will be raised so much so that we will create a bench-mark to admire while > curbing false ambitions cos people will self assess and their conscience > will redirect them. This is very important. > > The second thing is that we should, each one of us alone to ourselves, ask > ourselves whether we want to do this - the toil to challenge and overthrow > the ruling regime. We must answer this questtion first when we are alone > and > then collectively. Do we want to and do we believe we can take them and the > system on. > > The third one, at individual and then later collective level is to > appreciate the path and consequences of the step. The consequnences are > many > and varied. These include possible deaths, loss of employment, dwindling > businesses, poverty, and all. It will be dark and very much so. Are we > ready > for this. We have to answer this one. And maybe on these questions the > sound > of intelligence and sophistication won't help. We must answer it cold !! > Are > we ready for trouble before glory? And there is no guarantee that the glory > days will include us, and it should not matter. > > The fourth is then agree on a program of action. This program once we have > answered the questions above in the affirmative will determine the nature > of > a program adopted. Somebody who prefers life and harmony at all cost will > produce a same-type program which is why we must answer those questions > above first. > > Fifth, we must on the PAC ticket form ourselves into teams and go for > confrontation, get our people on the march, destabilise the country, run > rampage to collapse the system. The people are ready, we must stand up and > lead them. As we write they are busy marching, getting jailed and killed on > their own. This is why the party leadership is important. On other details > of how to sort the leadership of the party I suggest we meet on > pre-determined objectives so the session does not become a self feeding > moaning exercise. > > I have not spoken ideology because it is the base. > > My contribution son of the soil. > > I am an African of the PAC breed. > > Matome Mashao > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > _____ > > From: "percy motswaledi" <[email protected]> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:47:55 +0200 > > To: <[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > > > > izwelethu Ma-afrika > i am following your debate on the issue of leadership and the wayforward > that comrade Matome advocates, the reality is that at some stage we need to > move forward, come with leadership that will take us forward, i am > personaly > sick and tired of endless debate that pave path to dwarficism leadeship > characterised by lack of vision and poor articulation of issues > > WHAT IS THE WAY FORWARD. > > please anyone can assist step by step to assist slow learners african who > are on line. we do not want to leave them on board > > > On Wed, 30 May 2012 11:47:36 +0000 [email protected] wrote > > Comrade Smart I agree. As long as the idea is to ensure that there are > minimal or no leaders by accident, coincidence or default. The robustness > of > the process through which people ascend to leadership as you suggest will > go > a long way. The point is to ensure that we are not just led by someone well > spoken and a little educated but by one who is PAC even by their manner of > doing things, and then secondly by people with courage, those who > understand > and appreciate that death could be part of the menu in this course and are > still willing to serve, suffer and sacrifice not just to sloganeer about > these triple S. > > My view is in principle you are on point. > > For Afrika ! > > Matome Mashao > > Sent from my BlackBerry > > _____ > > From: "SBV MID (Smart Maqubela)" <[email protected]> > > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:14:40 +0000 > > To: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]%[email protected]> > <[email protected]>; [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]%[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > > Cc: 'Oyama Rwaxa'<[email protected]>; 'Lumkile Gxaba'<[email protected]>; > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%[email protected]> > <[email protected]>; 'Tsedi Mokhotla'<[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > > It is without doubt comrades that the party is in a state of flux and there > can be no debate about that. There virtually is no infrastructure to speak > of. Branches are in the main nonexistent. As a party our view counts for > virtually nothing and it never sought on any issue of > national/continental/international importance. The view of miniscule your > Johnny-come-late type of partiesâ ™ are considered worthy than ours. It can > be argued that the media was never friendly towards us and it will probably > never be (remember the slogan, no press built us?). But if we are impactful > as a party, our views on the state of affairs would at least be sought. Itâ > ™s going to take visionary, courageous, tenacious and principled leadership > to pull us out of this morass. And so anyone who harbors ambitions of > leading the party needs to put his/her name up for nomination. Eligibility > to stand can be discussed but for me I think someone must have been with > the > party for at least three years to be allowed to stand. Then s/he must > appear > before a gathering of the party faithful (this can at congress or any such > type gathering) and spell his/her vision on a number of key issues. These > could include but not limited to: unity; party building/discipline; > positioning of the party in the light of events > nationally/continentally/globally; his/her blue print for a PAC-led South > Africa leading to transformation into Azania. S/he must then allow > him/herself to be questioned on all the points s/he made a pronouncement > on. > Of course an assessment of his/her track record of activism will have been > made prior to being accepted as a candidate. Certain tendencies pertaining > to his/her character would have been identified and if they do not meet > with > any approval then the nomination would be decl ined. For example prideful > people do not want to serve. And so if there are pamphlets that have to be > distributed and a comrade refuses to participate then that person cannot be > entrusted with a party leadership. If there is a meeting that must be > attended and a comrade refuses to give a ride to other comrades who do not > have transportation, that person cannot be put in any position of > responsibility in the party. What Iâ ™m trying to say is that certain > tendencies (pride, selfishness, etc.) are easy to identify and people > cannot > put up pretences for long. Sooner or later the masks will fall off and the > real you will emerge. Anyway, after answering questions to the satisfaction > of the party faithful, then an election by means of a secret ballot can be > held and the one who polls highest gets the nod as our party leader. What > are your views, comrades? > >  > > Forward! > >  > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 30 May 2012 12:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: SBV MID (Smart Maqubela); 'Oyama Rwaxa'; 'Lumkile Gxaba'; > [email protected]; 'Tsedi Mokhotla' > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > >  > > Comrade Nkrumah, I think your view as contribution to the debate is a > fitting perspective and I agree with you in all key respects. Where I think > you should be slow to make conclusions is to suggest that if people > campaign > for a leader and that leader later fails the test, that failure must be > imputed on all those who 'campaigned' for him\her. Without opening a debate > on this as it will be a sidetrack, I don't think it ever works like that in > politics. The tragedy is when people who campaigned for a candidate hold on > even when it becomes clear that the agenda in motion is not what they > endorsed or is one going astray. Only when one sticks with mediocrity can > you label them as such. Anyway this is a trifle and is not really my point. > > The point is, having articulated so good a perspective as above, what in > your opinion should we look for in a leader from a practical point of view? > if at all possible, narrow yourself to these qualities and how we could > identify or ascertain them. > > Our land is Afrika! > > Matome Mashao > > Sent from my BlackBerry > > From: "Nkrumah Kgagudi" <[email protected]> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:01:28 +0200 > > To: <[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Cc: 'SBV MID \(Smart Maqubela\)'<[email protected]>; 'Oyama > Rwaxa'<[email protected]>; 'Lumkile Gxaba'<[email protected]>; > <[email protected]>; 'Tsedi Mokhotla'<[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > >  > > Comrades > >  > > The perspective advanced by comrades requires a further in-depth analysis > about erosion of quality leadership! The diagnosis made does not > necessarily > provide an account as to what is the core problem! In the past years > arguments were PAC NEED A YOUTHFUL LEADERSHIP! Fact is that recently PAC > has > had youthful leadership, post Ga-Matlala congress which gradually increased > within the NECs or leadership of the party. Relatively  Godi, Plaatjie, > Wonder, Cameronto mention a few. Letlapaâ ™s Qwaqwa nominated and appointed > into leadership (NEC) had a significant majority of comrades who can be > classified as youthful my counting is there was an excess of more than 10 > but what had been the benefits and lessons ? So the youthful leadership > view > is abandoned, now the arg ument is the declining leadership quality!  But > is leadership quality the core problem or indicator of a problem? To some > extent yes it an indicator of a core problem but not a core problem. A > Typical example is that owners of the company cannot accuse employees for > lacking the required qualities because employees are appointed in > accordance > to the strategy of the company and through the human resources procedure > recruitment, selection, shortlisting activities unfolds to secure right > persons with required qualities for a prescribed job as per the > organisational strategy. In PAC leaders are not imposed but they are being > nominated and elected  by members. > >  > > My view is that the PAC is confronted with a systematic approach to > leadership and organisation. Some common examples no one can confirm is > Letlapa was an active paid up PAC members twelve months before Qwaqwa > congress, the same argument can be directed to Cde Thami Plaatjie that no > one could confirm that if he was a paid and active PAC member before > Ga-Matlala congress the same argument can be levelled against Cde Mogoba if > he was an active and paid up PAC member before Thohoyandou Congress. But > all > these comrades had been identified, nominated and elected by PAC members! > >  > > The party has adopted the description of leadership or a leader as it was > made by the founding President Mangaliso Robert Sobukwe in the basic > documents that  ⠜True leadership demands complete subjugation of self, > absolute honesty, integrity, and uprightness of character; courage and > selflessness; and above all, a consuming love for oneâ ™s people.â  If > this description serves as a criteria, how and where did party members > determine that those who led or should lead meet this description?â œTrue > lead ership demands complete subjugation of self, absolute honesty, > integrity, and uprightness of character; courage and selflessness; and > above > all, a consuming love for oneâ ™s people.â  . > >  > > Leadership or leaders should organically evolve and emerge within the party > as a result of political programmes executed on daily and weekly basis? > Tried and tested comrades whose intentions and commitments is not doubted > nor questioned. Thus, identification of leadership should be focused on and > within active party members who had demonstrated their abilities over a > period of time their political and ideological character and subjugation of > self to the will of party and masses! > >  > > Now what is the party systematic approach which ensure that those > identified > are worth to be considered for a leadership role, that is, Mogoba, > Plaatjie, > Letlapa and so forth! We need quality and good leadership! But what entails > quality leadership? What competencies will qualify a person for a > leadership > except satisfaction of factional interests and egos? If such a > determination > is not linked to party political programme, ideological orientation and > consistently demonstrated activism throughout!  Some comrades, without any > form of regret but driven by disparity identify some comrades whose period > of active participation in PAC programmes, it was in the last or past 15 > years or reasons such as because Comrade X developed the party policy in > 1990 or 1985 he must lead! Some in active will secure a membership cards > six > months before congress. The current practices is the highest bidder secures > party leadership! > >  > > The quality or type and character of leaders we have, are a direct output > and a reflection of the party in its current state. So members nominate > leaders who are a reflection of themselves and a value system they embody. > Crudely stated for an example, is that, Cde Letlapa is a reflection to a > greater extent of those lobbied and campaigned for him. Why should there be > an expectation of a revolutionary leadership when congresses and > conferences > held never crafted nor endorsed a framework or complete a revolutionary > programme? Determination of quality leadership should be assessed on the > base of a political programme and guided by the following description â > œTrue leadership demands complete subjugation of self, absolute honesty, > integrity, and uprightness of c haracter; courage and selflessness; and > above all, a consuming love for oneâ ™s people.â > >  > > The fundamental flaw and deficiency of identification of leadership within > the PAC has moved from branches to groupings and those that succeed are > those that command high monetary power/authority. And factions imposes > their > candidates to branches and leadership goes to the highest bidder. Branches > inadequately scrutinise candidates, a democratic space for membership to > exercise their right has been hijacked consequently organisation is > undermined. By implication petty bourgeoisie and thuggish modes to nominate > and elect leadership had crept into the party and had become dominant, this > reminds one about occurrences towards Qwaqwa congress whereat dead peopleâ > ™s names were used to up branch membership figures and fake including > cancelled cheques used to register delegates . Since Thohoyandou congress, > there has been a disregard of activism and cadreship replaced by petty > bourgeoisie approaches that so and so has businesses thus will fund PAC so > he/she must be part of leadership.    > >  > > For long party members had been preoccupied about national leadership yes > it > is important but what about provincial and regional leadership and branch > leadership?  If the centre collapses then provinces and regions could have > played some role to contain the situation. These levels and structures are > equally infected. Above all nothing is superior to organisation and > political programme. > >  > > Regards > > Nkrumah > >  > >  > >  > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 29 May 2012 03:45 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: SBV MID (Smart Maqubela); Oyama Rwaxa; Lumkile Gxaba; > [email protected]; Tsedi Mokhotla ([email protected]) > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > >  > > I find the twin challenge debate fascinating yet indicative and in some > instances instructive. > > I am clear-minded on the decision we took against messaic selection of > leaders especially because I presided over this and mobilised many > structures of the party and the entire NEC of PAYCO as it then was. Not > only > do I remember just the pronouncement we made, but the rationale for it, > being that it was wrong to think that party saviours are people that keep a > distance from the party to the exclusion of those that keep within and > close. True to the point I made in my earlier posting, we were weary that a > disengaged person could introduce alien tendencies and at best may sell out > the party. With this context I reaffirm the correctness of the decision we > took to keep guard of messiahs. > > True to the rules of science, even w ith this position, there can be no > automations. It does not follow that a messiah would be more harmful than ' > the available'. It will always come down to analysis of the person s > history, and personality, as well as general prevailing conditions. > Sometimes 'the available' could inflict more harm than the messiah either > because of incompetence or ill-intentions which may far outweigh the > naivety > of the messiah. Granted the converse may be true. It is down to analysis > analysis and analysis. Viewed from this angle the pronouncement turns into > science and not some exclusionary dogma. > > With regards to making a pronouncement that we should lead and do less > moaning, again context is important. To place my views again in context, > this too was a decision taken by the PAYCO I led as President and endorsed > by the entire NEC and party structures. There were a few significant things > though about this position, but two stand out. The first one is that this > decision was taken by the NEC of PAYCO and therefore was a structural one, > not one taken elsewhere whether or not it was right is a different thing. > The second issue is that when we pronounced this way and enclosed our > leadership stance as part of IOTA we said, "we must develop a program and > lead it ourselves". And indeed these names were but an appendage to a > program whose underpinning base is uprisings!! So in this way it was a > program driving stance and anyone reading it would be clear that we > intended > to set Azania ablaze through the vehicle of the PAC. > > I am sure we are not suggesting that leadership should be limited to simple > availability. Whether one suggests himself with his group albeit > unstructural or is suggested by others the rule is the same: one should be > competent as judged against a program. To support leaders on the basis of > some vague thing they want to do without saying what it is has proven many > times a flaw not to be repeated. > > On the question of ideolog y, IOTA program is piercing on any attempt to > run > a party without an ideological base. I suggest we revisit the write up, > which I still find solid. It says, correctly so, organisations should begin > with ideology and all else sprout from there, including both the program > and > the leadership by the way. Without an ideology as the sieve we are as good > as running an NGO which raises bread and butter issues for the community. > Our struggle is much more than bread. > > Lastly, I seek a debate on the take that the issue is lack of commitment to > party positions. It cannot be limited to this, we must agree. Beside, > commitment can be a loose aspect open to interpretation and > misinterpretation. However committed to the PAC one may be, this can't > replace capacity. I tell you if you ask all the past three Presidents > including the current, they will tell you how committed they are or have > been. That is why I say in looking for leadership we have to look at things > closer to real such as your history and personality. Commitment is > important > but can be so nebulous you never know until someone is in. If anything I > think the point being made is ordinary talk but I am sure is well meant. > > On the question of the PAC and a program. A program is not policy > statements > of principle nor is it the notation of a program, not even an ideology. A > program is simply what do you want to do in reality practically within the > confines of the ideological position. Leaders are entitled to hold > different > program stances for as long as they don't deviate from the ideological > line. > This is where personality and history play key pointers. IOTA for instance > was a program aimed at creating fire heat and chaos for the ruling until > takeover. There is no prescribed uniformity on program unlike on ideology. > Ideology master is no guarantee that the personality and history nature of > the person will not desert. Hence a review of one s history and personality > is critical whether o r not they are ideological gurus. > > The debate is open on either side I.e simplification of the complex or > complication of the simple. Is this matter simple, is it complex? > > The debate is a master-piece, true to the PAC traditions. > > Afrika is our land!! > > Matome Mashao > > Sent from my BlackBerry > > From: Sbusiso Xaba <[email protected]> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:43:09 +0200 > > To: <[email protected]> > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > Cc: SBV MID (Smart Maqubela)<[email protected]>; Oyama > Rwaxa<[email protected]>; Lumkile Gxaba<[email protected]>; > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%[email protected]> > <[email protected]>; Tsedi Mokhotla ([email protected]) > <mailto:[email protected])%[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > >  > > Sons and Daughters of Africa > >  > > Cde Mashao raised a very complex question but not necessarily > complicated. > Why is the party fortune declining? Sobukwe warned us about using > personal > experience as determinant of mankind. He advise to scientific tools of > analysis. > > 1. There will be no messiah leader that will drop like rain to lead our > party to success. We as members have to do it. The answer to the problem of > leadership is among us - us willing take responsibility. We enjoy > complaining from sidelines instead of sharpening our leadership expertise > and removing stumbling block for branches to see our capabilities. We all > looking for "good leader". I know brilliant leaders in my generation (some > on this platform but never comment), who when approached to take national > leadership will tell you that they want work in their branch (local) and > consistent refusing to national responsibility. These leaders have track > records of success that can be measured. > 2. Comrade have insinuated shallow ideological as reason for > leadership failure. I disagree, yes there were Likotsi and others, who I > can > confirm his ideological grounding. In the three PAC NEC that I served in, > those NECs had other problems either than ideological grasp. I can confirm > Godi, Wonder and Plaatjie did not lack grasp of Pan Africanist theory but > two decided to be dubious and had petty conflicts. Ultimately shattered the > party. What is scientific barometer that we use measure ideological > grounding? PAYCO NEC (2005 - 2007) proposed a party school curriculum and > creation of vehicle to exploit Skills Development Act to develop our > cadres. > This is to emphasis my unity with view of Cde Maqubela. > 3. I further agree with Cde Maqubela on weakness of campaign > sustenance. What is cause of that? Weak institution and weak administrative > governance. In our founding documents, we promised to develop organisation > and administrative machinery for African people. Our party has never built > the administrative machinery. This is main reason for instability and weak > leadership. Administration is very boring by nature but govern behaviour > and > monitor compliance to party values. Party leaders fail because party values > and party discipline applies to member but exclude members in leadership. > 4. Being a dedicated student of strategy, I am always fascinated > loosely used term "program of action". I agree that there is a lack of > program of action in party. Who responsible for formulation? Is it > branches? > Is it congress? Is it conference? Is it leadership? All theories in my > disposal put this as responsibility of leadership. Military theory talks > about strategy and its execution plan (program of action) as General's > responsibility. Arena of Change Management, Business Strategy and > Innovation > management confirm this as CEO/MD responsibility. Reading revolutionary > literature - Linen, Mao drove strategy. Why is Sobukwe talks about > unfolding program. It is because not all members had strategy with them. It > is his office's arena. Secretary General introduce the status campaign in > December 1959 Conference after leadership was elected and had opportunity > to > developed the strategy. Dr Pheko had very good programme of action namely > economic status campaign. Letlapa was presented with IOTA and seemed to > accepted it but never attempted to implement it. Mamelodi convention had > decision on programme. Programme of Action is part of problem but not a > magical pill for our complex disease. > > We must not misdiagnose our party problem. The enemy or the environment > has hit our centre of gravity hence the centre cannot hold. The cancer is > lies in the lack of commitment by leaders to values of our party. Pan > Africanism is way of life. This was our conclusion is crafting IOTA program > (all these element are covered. > >  > > On 28 May 2012 19:55, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Son of the soil that is very thoughtful. I share in most of the views > propounded in your write up below. > > There certainly exists no doubt that the erosion of quality in the party > has > had multifrontal effects including at rank and file membership level. A > party going through so much turbulence as the PAC has, is surely bound to > self obliterate. Some of our outstanding membership fractions reached > mental > and political cul di sac with the results that they withdrew from anything > robust. As you rightly suggest, with the astute going into moribund, the > gap > had to be filled. In most instances this gap has been filled, for lack of > better expression, by those available and not necessarily competent. In > essence the gap caused by the continuous political assault of our talented > and certainly politically sound has been filled by political accidents, > defaults and in some instances people with no credentials, attained and > potential. All of these affirm your detest at the quality on hand in the > party, membership and leadership alike. > > I do however hold a view that while this is a challenge, it certainly is > not > insurmountable. One of the first move to remedy this is to have the talent > and tested fraction of the PAC to reengage. I know as much as you do that > to > reignite these talents out of disengagement into the centre a lot is > required. Those of us who have escaped this assault must get the talent > fraction to believe, to believe that not all is lost and that the party can > go on a rebirth. This injection of belief is the sort of menu necessary to > awaken our society which has lulled to the whim of the ruling. I am sure > comrade Smart that if we do this, we will combat both the accidental > membership and those who feed on it from running a maskandi dance. > > You also make observations that I think are fact based. In the circ > umstances everyone has tended to think they can lay claim to the leadership > of the PAC. A few months back I attended a meeting of some youngsters aged > average 18 years and there they talked of how they will take charge of the > PAC. They really felt very strong and truly believed they were on the > championship side of life. About a few years ago I met a fellow who used to > study with me, and he suggested he wants to lead the party and had propped > up his infantile group to mindlessly echo the same. What I found > interesting > was less his false view of himself cos in truth there are many like him, > but > more about the facts I knew of him. > This fellow had been a student with us, completely unknown, a disciplined > child of his parents, and unlike us never fell foul of the admin nor the > police. He absolutely had no history of the slighest note. Here I marvelled > at how people emerge through the cracks in the party, accidents who very > easily emerge as leaders simply and only because th ey imagine so!!. > > The fact of the matter is that for a party so badly battered, political > leadership can be assumed simply by name dropping and listings. The thing > is > that in dealing with this matter people match with what they have in the > party - depleted quality. They don't match this suddenness of competence > with the objective tasks and programs that need to be carried. I ensourage > you to remain on the side of hope because when history errs it is also > quick > to correct. > > I found your write up very incisive and pointed. > > Afrika Our Land !! > > > > Matome Mashao > > Sent from my BlackBerry > > From: "SBV MID (Smart Maqubela)" <[email protected]> > > Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:58:10 +0000 > > To: Oyama Rwaxa<[email protected]>; Lumkile Gxaba<[email protected]>; > [email protected]<[email protected]>; Tsedi Mokhotla > ([email protected])<[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > >  > > Izwe lethu! > >  > > I agree with the sentiment expressed by the comrade in the piece that the > PACâ ™s (main) problem is that of a lack of quality leadership. Everything > rises and falls on leadership. But the question that needs to be asked is; > how do the people who occupy the said leadership positions ascend there? > Did > they put themselves there or were they elected? And if they were elected, > who elected them? At the end of the day people get the kind of leadership > that they deserve. And more often than not, the leadership reflects the > people from whom they are drawn. If you have a population of people whose > level of consciousness has not been transformed, this will be reflected in > the caliber of leadership that they choose. And that is why we see the > kinds > of things we see in the PAC today. Part of the solution includes inc > reasing > the level of consciousness of our cadreship. The establishment of a party > school will address this. Such a school must have a fully fledged > curriculum > and before anyone can be accepted into membership of the party must have > gone through the party schoolâ ™s curriculum. There will thus be an > ideologically grounded highly conscious body of cadreship from which an > ideologically schooled leadership can be drawn. > >  > > One other thing that has been a bane in the PAC is lack of discipline. Any > and everyone feels that they can be party president. A case in point is > what > happened in 1997. The party had an elective congress in Tohoyandou the > previous December in which a leadership was chosen. Bishop Mogoba was > elected president, Ngila Muendane SG, etc. The following February, the > Graaf > Reinet branch held a Sobukwe day rally to which they invited former > president Makwetu in his capacity as president! He also went!!! An > ideologically grounded cadreship of the party would not do this. > >  > > Unfortunately in our quest for numbers weâ ™ve jettisoned some of the > established traditions of the party and took into membership all and sundry > without first ensuring that theyâ ™re grounded in the party political line. > Yes, in electoral politics numbers are important. But let us remember that > in our party numbers have never been an issue. What does it profit us to > have 30 000 people and only 30 of them know the party political line? > Rather > target 300 people and ensure that they all are fully grounded in the line, > ways, and traditions of the party. That way we can be impactful. > >  > > Another thing is that the party doesnâ ™t have the temperament to see > campaigns that it initiates to the finish. For example, it initiated the â > ˜land for the landlessâ ™ campaign but didnâ ™t sustain it and the LPM and > ABAHLALI movement were later formed and ran with it; the issue of political > detainees was a party initiated campaign but was halfway abandoned; the > issue of HIV/AIDS (when the government was engaged in intellectual > gymnastics) but the party has since been overtaken by the TAC and the like. > And all this is symptomatic of the lack of quality leadership in the party. > >  > > It was the great Mangaliso Robert Sobukwe who gave a direction pointer as > what leadership is about when he said; â œTrue leadership demands complete > subjugation of self, absolute honesty, integrity, and uprightness of > character; courage and selflessness; and above all, a consuming love for > oneâ ™s people.â And so whatâ ™s it gonna be? > >  > > IAfrika! > >  > > > Smart Maqubela > > > Specie Manager > > > [email protected] > >  > > Tel: > > 011 256 1579 > > > Fax: > > 011 315 0129 > > > Web: > > www.sbv.co.za <http://www.sbv.co.za/> > > > Disclaimer: > > www.sbv.co.za/terms.html > >  > ?ui=2&ik=aba9278838&view=att&th=137978f0 > <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=aba9278838&view=att&th=137978f00b > e1bc26&attid=0.2&disp=emb&realattid=58d96ad8da5404c8_0.1&zw&atsh=1> > SBV House, Corner of 11th Avenue and 8th Street,Houghton, 2198, > Johannesburg, SA > < span style="font-size: 12pt; color: #bfbfbf;">(GPS Co-ordinates: S 26 > 9.36â ™, E 28 2.77â ™) > Reg. 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No. /Nr. 4640120020 > Registered as a security service provider by the Private Security Industry > Regulation Authority, registration number 4082 > >  > > Directors: > J Taylor (Chairman), GC Dunnington (Group CEO), MI Barrett, JA du Plessis, > G > Erling, L McCarthy, AJD Meerburg, GJ Serfontein, SA van Jaarsveld > ?ui=2&ik=aba9278838&view=att&th=137978f0 > <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=aba9278838&view=att&th=137978f00b > e1bc26&attid=0.3&disp=emb&realattid=58d96ad8da5404c8_0.2&zw&atsh=1>  > >  ?ui=2&ik=aba9278838&view=att&th=137978f0 > <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=aba9278838&view=att&th=137978f00b > e1bc26&attid=0.1&disp=emb&realattid=58d96ad8da5404c8_0.3&zw&atsh=1>  > >  Please consider the environment before printing this email message. > >  > > From: Oyama Rwaxa [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 25 May 2012 03:36 PM > To: SBV MID (Smart Maqubela); Lumkile Gxaba; [email protected] > Subject: Fwd: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 >  >  > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: <[email protected]> > Date: 25 May 2012 15:01 > Subject: [PAYCO] Twin-Challenge for the PAC post 1994 > To: [email protected] > > > What exactly is at the root of PAC 's deterioration over the years, > particularly since 1994? Is it the party 's ineptitude to provide a > programme of action or is it the weakness of the leadership, or for that > matter both and more? These questions have seized the party and all of its > organic membership for sometime now. > > I want to deal with both the leadership issue and how I think it gets > distorted by the day, and then the program of action. > > For the party to assume its rightful place in society, the leadership > thereof is integral and a key enabler. We must define what we need in a > leadership collective and individual persons thereof. For qualification > into > leadership one must fully and completely comprehend the party s pan > africanist position on all facets of life. I suggest that this > understanding > cannot be derived solely through academic read. It grows out of practical > engagement with the challenges of the party and thus its ideological stand. > > The inadequacy of ideological orientation may at first look or thought make > for an insignificant area of concern. This is a red light signaling going > concern challenges for any organisation. The want to drive party programs > outside of party ideology is enemy number one to the survival of the PAC. > Persons who harbour this view are either grossly ill intended or > dangerously > nae. > > The nae pursue this line of thought because political leadership is mere > administrative governance. This is the type of mentality that must be > assaulted in every way possible. In their view the party 's challenges stem > from poor admin, and that if we had a strong administration our fortunes > will change. In fact this group hold the same view about the governance of > the country. They take a view that what the country needs is a strong > administrative arm. There is absolutely no intention to change the > direction > and remodel a new society and trajectory. > > This sect also takes a view that therefore people that have no prestigious > academic qualifications are ill qualified to lead the party because 'their > admin capacity is weak.' And as can be seen, this group would have no > reason > not to join other parties including the ruling, because in their view the > problem is admin and not foundational orientational ideological issues. I > make no suggestion that admin is not important, I am only seeking to > highlight a possible danger on the exaggeration of admin over the political > line. > > Another sect of the "admin over politics" group is those with ill > intentions. These ones only look at leadership as an opportunity for > prestige in society and they actually don't stand for anything. Some of > them > articulate the party line fairly well but in their hearts of hearts me an > the opposite or nothing. > > This cancerous infection needs to be dealt with decisively before it > spreads > accross the body. We all know that the standards in the party have been > severely lowered so much so that every jack and tom can lay claim to the > leadership of the party. > > There is a few things we must do to combat this. We must look at two > things, > history and personality. We must take a closer look at everyone laying > claim > to the leadership of the party. We must ask the question, who are you and > where do you come from. All parties the world over do this ! And it is > important to look at a person s involvement in the party. This is not > whether or not they have made mistakes  but more on whether they have > engaged in party work so much so that we can safely say this chap is PAC > even by his manners and outlook. It also must not be enough that a person > has served in one structure or the other. There are a lot of circumstantial > accidents where to tally unfit persons have held "leadership" positions and > want to use this to perpetuate themselves. We must curtain these accidents > and not feed them. > > The other aspect we must look at is personality. The PAC cannot be led by > gentlemen whose complete orientation is peace and maintence of the status > quo. This has been the party s challenge. What is required is the > leadership > that will confront the system and its handlers. We must add that this > confrontation cannot be waged through a suit and tie in a boardroom. It > involves a lot of sacrifices and the courage of character. To think that > one > who has not even had the gut to tell an ant to get away can lead the PAC > must be a joke par excellence. For the party to rise, it can't be on the > back of some textbook gentlemanish leadership philosophy. So let us look at > the personality of the person before we even think too far off their > competence and liver capacity. > > The second challenge is that of the programme of a ction. First it must be > noted that for a programme to exist there must be leadership because the > program does not develop itself. The PAC has all the foundational base for > a > program. > > In conclusion, it is important that when we discuss leadership we should > not > do so from a "swapping" mentality, I.e changing this face for the next one. > It must be a program, that which the person professes and is able to > execute > that must inform the move. We have been this route before and I insist that > this time we shall do it right. Leadership review must be informed by a > program and not a person s qualification or face differentiation to the > incumbents. > > This is my contribution to the ensuing debate regarding the future of the > organisation, analysis and recommendations. > > Izwe Lethu !! 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