So ke you believe in dual membership as purported by Mabaso

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 9:07 AM, tembelani xundu <[email protected]> wrote:

> Comrades
>
> This is may be one subject that needs thaughtful reflection if we are
> infact unhappy with the status quo in the party. The propensity to use
> Marxist literature to throw diatribes at Comrades and tag dissent in all
> soughts of unrevolutionary ways must be discouraged. As far as I am
> concerned members of the PAC sing in munison to denounce Mr Letlapa as a
> true custodian of the ideals of the PAC in thaught and deed. The departure
> from the ideals of the PAC guiding documents have been bemoaned by all
> except those that are deemed members by the 'Supreme Commander" and that
> forms the critical mass of the PAC as we know it before Letlapa took the
> reigns. According to Letlapa and those next to him only those that he gave
> membership cards are genuine members of the PAC and only them have a
> genuine claim to the name and symbols of the PAC. There have been  a
> prolonged period of gestation of this political design. To reverse and undo
> this situation there has been all soughts of attempts, convetions, cout
> actions etc. Hitherto Letlapa's design prevails. This is indisputable.
>
> There are initiatives by many Comrades of the party that have defined
> themselves outside the PAC led by Letlapa but believe that theirs is to
> bring sanity in the PAC and redirect it back to its historical path. Ngoku
> iphambukile (It is now being led completely astray). In my understanding
> PAM was formed by those dismembered cadres of the party who believed that
> Letlapa has abandoned the ideals of the PAC as we knew it so are many
> initiatives. To me Letlapa is by default defined and described by all
> non-Africanists including legal institutions like parliament and courts as
> a leader of the PAC. I would argue very strongly that party cadreship lost
> initiative to opportunists who masquaraded as champions of our cause and
> made their way to the commanding heights of the party.
>
>  It is the historic duty of our revolutionary cadreship to regain
> initiative, cover lost ground, think strategically and position the
> vanguard party at the centre of political discourse and the revolution of
> our people. But it will be dillussional not to acknowledge the compelling
> reality that cadres of the party are displaced in all these initiatives we
> created and they all have role to play for us to regain initiative. It
> helps to recall Comrades that Joseph Stalin became the leader in Russia
> after the death of Vladimir Lenin because of the lack of a progressive and
> vibrant cadreship in Russia at that moment. Lenin wrote a letter in which
> he did not mince his words that Leon Trosky and not Stalin is his
> prefferred successor. The letter was never read to the Communist party and
> consequently not acted on. In the final analysis Trosky was assasinated in
> 1940 by Stalin's agents and Russia took a brand (Stalinism) of Marxism it
> followed that resulted to its implosion. I am saying this because there has
> never been any noticeable departure on the ideological and strategic thrust
> fro Stalin right to leadership characters such Cruschev, Brevhnev until
> atleat Gorbachev in Russia.
>
> Africanist cadreship from all factional and political devide must regain
> initiative as a collective and harmonise all the current initiatives and
> the PAC will emerge the giant it is meant to be. Truth being said
> organisations and groupings such as PAM, APC, Cde Jacki, PAYCO, Concerned
> Cadres, Purists in the sidelines, Armchair analysts, Opportunits are a
> colourful reflection of a well orchestrated political displacement in one
> instance and interventions (particularly PAM, APC, Cde Jacki, Concerned
> Cadres) in another. By design interventions are not permanent. The PAC is
> a revolutionary vanguard of the African masses if it maintains its ideals
> whose trajectory goes beyond the end of time. They all have a role to play
> towards rebuilding the PAC.
>
>
> Tembelani
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nkrumah <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Re: Dual Membership
>
> Comrade Charge-in
>
> When confronted by two line struggle, what should proponents of a
> revolutionary line do? As a revolutionary fraction?
>
> The reasons you advance as the basis motivating the departure from PAC to
> form PAM had been equally echoed by those who formed APC particularly Godi.
> Beyond what you wrote, of significance is the political programmes which
> represent and expose ideas from and on which a party formed proves and
> demonstrate without any form of contradictions in deeds what you argue to
> be the basis that justifies the perspective you advance.
>
> With the rising tide of public protests, the recent mineworkers struggles
> and upspring including the massacre of 34 mineworkers, PAM has been dormant
>
> Thus far, PAM has not demonstrated and proven on the basis of its
> ideological and political theoratical conviction that its is distinct from
> many middle class and other African comprador bourgouisie adventurism, thus
> far dual membership remain unjustified until proven otherwise!
>
> Regards
> Nkrumah
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet
>
> Chargein Mabaso <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Son  of the soil
> >
> >I do not understand your reasons as you claim that I know them. I would
> >like to know if do not mind. Share with us your reservarions.
> >
> >I personnaly claim to be a loyal member of the PAC of 1959. I also claim
> >that PAM is the PAC of 1959, not the current PAC under Letlapa Mphahlele.
> >That is the reason I think genuine Pan Africanists can still join PAM, not
> >pseudo-Pan Africanists. I personally beleive I cannot join the current PAC
> >as it stands. On this issue, I raised my concern loud and clear in the
> last
> >PAC NEC I attend as a National Secretary for Finance. I still maintain my
> >position.
> >
> >For those who were not in that NEC meeting when Letlapa threatened to
> throw
> >PAC Basic Documents into the dustbin of history, I told those who attended
> >that meeting that to me what made the difference between the PAC and the
> >ANC was the 1959 PAC Basic Documents, especially the PAC Constitution, not
> >the name PAC or ANC. To me, the PAC or ANC name are irrelevant. They were
> >irrelevant even to Sobukwe. Before the 1959 PAC Inaugural Conference, they
> >never knew upfront their party would be PAC. Many of them confessed. They
> >never broke from the ANC with PAC name in mind. Those who are glued to the
> >name PAC are like O.R. Tambo who was to married to the name ANC more than
> >the ANC stand and 1949 Programe of Action.
> >
> >What made me to join PAC was not the name PAC but the Basic Documents (PAC
> >ideology, policies, traditon, principles and procedures. Before I joined
> >PAC, I heard about PAC name but not its Basic Documents. I saw no reason
> >to join it. The name PAC never influened me to join. I was later
> influenced
> >by the PAC documents to join PAC late after I returned to Mthatha where I
> >was intorduced to the PAC Basic Documents. They made me joined the PAC. To
> >me, the current PAC is not the PAC of Sobukwe, Mothopeng and Pokela I
> >joined as young man. That is the reason I cannot join it in its current
> >form.
> >
> >Currently, there are many conscious and unconscious charterirsts within
> the
> >current PAC. Unfortunately, I am not a charterists. And as such, I cannot
> >join such elemnts in their treacherous acts. .
> >
> >Izwe Lethu!
> >
> >Charge-in Mabaso
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM, xolani makwedini <[email protected]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I think mna Charge-in, that is a bad idea for any person to be a member
> of
> >> PAM and PAC and dont I ask me why, u know th reasons
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:19:54 AM UTC+2, Chargein Mabaso
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Comrades,
> >>>
> >>> Many people are wondering when the unholy marriage of convenience among
> >>> the Tripartite Alliance partners (ANC, COSATU and SACP) will come to
> an end
> >>> one day. After the Marikana developments, many political commentators
> >>> expected COSATU congress to resolve to either deliver divorce papers
> to the
> >>> ANC or at the least demand the change of leadership at the coming
> December
> >>> ANC Conference at Mangaung. They may now be wondering why it is not the
> >>> case.
> >>>
> >>> The truth is one. ANC is nothing without the Tripartite Alliance,
> >>> especially COSATU. ANC leaders knew this fact long ago when they
> decided to
> >>> form the Alliance. They know one thing that no serious-minded
> political can
> >>> rule South Africa without exercising political influence (hegemony)
> over
> >>> the unions, civic movements, professional bodies, NGOs, churches, etc.
> They
> >>> learn this fact from Soviet Hegemony, Gramsci's view on hegemony, US
> >>> dominance, etc. ANC understood very early the power of dual membership
> in a
> >>> political terrain. The same is true of Democratic Alliance (DA). As we
> >>> know, DA is a product of the alliance (unity) between the DP and NP,
> >>> possible Solidarity playing secretly the role of COSATU for the DA .
> The
> >>> two parties came to understand the power of unity / alliance of the
> >>> like-minded in the current terrain of struggle in our country. They
> called
> >>> for the realignment of all counterrevolutionary forces to contest power
> >>> against the reformist Tripartite Alliance. But, Pan Africanists,
> socialist
> >>> formations and BC forces are the exception to the rule. They do not
> believe
> >>> to the idea of unity or alliance politics. May be our attitude
> explains the
> >>> reason we marginalized in the new political dispensation. We all became
> >>> minority parties out of our own choice.
> >>>
> >>> Take an example of Julius Malema who is enjoying the support of mine
> >>> worker as we speak. He has been articulation our position on our behalf
> >>> because he sees the political vacuum left behind by the PAC in the New
> >>> Democracy. He is exploiting it, for good or bad reasons. Many people
> told
> >>> us time and again that voters do not want land and nationalization of
> the
> >>> commanding heights of our economy. They want only jobs but not land and
> >>> equitable distribution of wealth in this country. They said PAC must
> tone
> >>> down. Letlapa's project is intended to do just that. They said voters
> want
> >>> PAC to discard its Basic Documents. But, Marikana developments proved
> them
> >>> wrong.
> >>>
> >>> Ma-Afrika, Cde Letlapa and his cronies are working for our enemies and
> >>> rivals, consciously or unconsciously. They are conscious and
> unconscious
> >>> Charterists who are working day and night to silence PAC for good at
> the
> >>> time when it is needed mostly. Today, voters have no alternative to go
> to
> >>> because the work of the current PAC leaders. They want to bury the PAC
> >>> alive. Just imagine what will happen to PAC after the Butterworth
> Congress.
> >>> For the coming 5 - 10 years, there is possibility that PAC will remain
> >>> where it is or get worse.
> >>>
> >>> The question that many PAC members must ask themselves is: What is to
> be
> >>> done? The latest developments forces all Pan Africanists to stop
> folding
> >>> arms and wait for coming congresses. We must do whatever we can with
> what
> >>> we now have in our disposal. True revolutionaries cannot remain static.
> >>> They must  be dynamic and position themselves strategically as
> developments
> >>> inform them. I know there those who will say they are active on the
> ground
> >>> and quote visits to Marikana and other programs. Without acting as a
> party
> >>> is self-defeating. Unless you are like Malema. If he loses at
> Mangaung, he
> >>> cannot waiting for five years for another ANC conference. If he does,
> he
> >>> will lose the momentum. He has no choice but to form another party. The
> >>> same is true of those PAC forces who working hard within PAC against
> >>> Letlapa. Those who will form parallel structure will banned from using
> PAC
> >>> logo and expelled by Letlapa faction like he did to us. Many comrades
> are
> >>> asking themselves one question: Then, what is to be done under these
> >>> difficulty conditions? We love PAC with all our hearts and minds.
> >>>
> >>> One PAC cadre phoned me some time ago wanting to know PAM position on
> >>> dual members. Does PAM allow either its members to be also PAC members
> or
> >>> PAC members to be PAM members at the same time bearing in mind the fact
> >>> that the policies of both parties are the same on paper? At that time,
> I
> >>> remember, I said no. After Butterworth congress I revisited my
> response and
> >>> said to myself PAM needs to address this burning issue bearing in mind
> >>> Clause 3 of 1959 PAC Constitution on Membership which reads as follows:
> >>>
> >>> " a)    Any African who is of the age of 16 years or above and accepts
> >>> the principles, programme and discipline ofthe P.A.C shall be eligible
> for
> >>> membership, provided that:
> >>>
> >>> (i)          He/She is not a member of any political organization whose
> >>> policy is inconsistent with that of the P.AC <http://p.ac/>.
> >>>
> >>> (ii)        The National Executive Committee shall from time to time
> >>> determine whether a certain organisation is inconsistent with the
> cause of
> >>> the P.A.C."
> >>>
> >>> This clause was erased from PAC Constitution after Thohoyando Congress.
> >>> Under the current conditions of PAC quarantine, this clause Sobukwe's
> inner
> >>> circle wrote in the PAC Constitution is needed. We must remember how we
> >>> launched PAM in 1989. PAC President, Zeph Mothopeng, instructed us to
> >>> launch PASO and PAM as internal wings of PAC in addition to AZANYU. He
> said
> >>> he was the only one who was allowed by the racist regime to stand on
> any
> >>> platform as a PAC member. We were not allowed. As a result, we
> disbanded
> >>> PAM after the unbanning of PAC. Zeph was smarter than the Boers. His
> plan
> >>> worked well as he did on June 16. He saw the need for PASO and PAM.
> >>>
> >>> Ma-Afrika, I am raising all these points in a hurry to say, under the
> >>> current conditions, what is your opinion of dual membership for PAC,
> PAM
> >>> and even NACTU ? Will such a move take the struggle forward and prove
> our
> >>> enemies, rivals and their agents wrong in their infiltration of the Pan
> >>> Africanist fold? I want your input in this regard, positively or
> >>> negatively. Let's be objective in our response, not subjective. I
> cannot
> >>> freely say the same for APC with their slogan "Amandla Ngawethu!. But,
> I
> >>> know there are Pan Africanists in their midst too.
> >>>
> >>> Izwe Lethu!
> >>>
> >>> Cde MCharge
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