Comrades in arms, As much as I share sentiments advanced against the approach of cde Ndima in relation to the document submitted here by cde Siya Ndamane for our indulgence and response, but I am not impressed by the dismissive attitude to the pertinent issues he raises. I am one person who does not like a person who debates out of context, but the question that comes to mind is, is really cde Ndima out of context?
I firmly believe that if the centre cannot hold indeed things will fall apart. The experience of EFF has confirmed my long held view that with a coherent, focused, militant and hands-on National Leadership we can turn things around and inspire action from both our members and the masses of our people. EFF in KZN has no structures but it was able to ganner votes and support from the masses of our people based on the strong presence of its National Leadership. For us to successfully sell and win the hearts of our people we need a leadership that will inspire action and an action oriented Programme of Action. I believe we need a multi-proned strategy to deal with PAC challenges but primarily to that should be to get the centre right. I am currently working on the response on the proposals as per submitted by cde Siya and believe all of us must make our submissions in this regard but at the same time focus on the primary objective to get the centre right. We need a militant and vocal leadership that will articulate the positions we would formulate in response to these proposals. It would be futile to produce the most crafted revolutionary policy position and have no leaders to articulate them. I agree though with all comrades that in our pursuit to get the centre right we should not be factional and destructive. We need everybody on the deck to build a militant PAC ready to usurp state power. Your robust engagement in this regard would be welcomed. Izwe lethu! Linda Kwame Ndebele Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 09:48:28 To: 'Dumisani Mkhwente'<lamzi...@gmail.com>; 'Tongogara Ndima'<ndimatongog...@gmail.com> Cc: <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>; 'Admin @ Pac'<ad...@pac.org.za>; 'DSG @ PAC'<d...@pac.org.za>; 'Narius Moloto'<s...@pac.org.za>; 'Mzwandile Montjane'<montja...@yahoo.com>; 'LEBOGANG GODFREY NGWATLE'<ngwatl...@gmail.com>; <kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za>; 'Tshwane PAC Region'<pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>; 'Vusi Mahlangu'<vemahla...@gmail.com>; 'Siphiwe Nofuma'<paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; 'Apa Pooe'<apap...@webmail.co.za>; 'Michael Muendane'<m...@soultalk.co.za>; 'Gantsu'<mbuyigan...@yahoo.com>; <mnyhon...@yahoo.com>; <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>; 'Ike Mafole'<mmaf...@gmail.com>; 'Mohlomphegi Mphahlele'<mphah...@gmail.com>; 'Mbulelo Raymond'<mrfihl...@gmail.com>; <victor.serakal...@dcs.gov.za>; 'Sbusiso Xaba'<sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>; 'Sam Ditshego'<sditsh...@ymail.com>; <richardma...@yahoo.com>; 'Nakaphala Bauba'<nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>; <babesmal...@gmail.com>; 'Pinkie Monyane'<monyanepin...@gmail.com>; 'Johnson Mlambo'<river.mla...@telkomsa.net>; 'Khosi Maqetuka'<maqetu...@gmail.com>; <takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>; 'justice mvakali'<mvakalijust...@gmail.com>; <payco@googlegroups.com>; 'Alton Mphethi'<i...@bataufc.com>; 'david mabitsela'<mabitselada...@gmail.com>; <miles.ndl...@yahoo.com>; <bulanng...@gmail.com>; <isa...@diplomatsa.co.za>; 'Mohlomphegi Mphahlele'<mphah...@eskom.co.za>; 'Mapula Nkoana'<mapulankoan...@gmail.com>; 'Mangaliso Mdhlela'<mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com>; 'L.R. 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'APLAMVA NORTHWEST'<aplamv...@gmail.com>; 'APLAMVA WESTERN CAPE'<aplamv...@gmail.com>; <jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: LAND REFORM Izwe lethu M'Afrika While one does not negate the essence advanced by Cde Ndima, we must note that the attempt by Cde Ndamane requires attention and once more it brings to many of us the basic reason that PAC as a political party in politics, to create public opinion and presence in bourgeoisie democracy and body politic it ought to engage in formulating alternative policy positions and publicly pronounce its perspective to mobilise and organise the masses around its own positions and ideas flowing from the logic of the material conditions of the African people. But such an effort is realistically undermined by the internal party organisational environment characterised by deep-rooted resentment among PAC members, branches and leaders to the magnitude that as matters stand the advancement of the purpose and mission of the PAC has been completely forgotten; and this is aptly demonstrated by the ensuing resentful exchange in this thread. It has become a habit for PAC members and leaders to accuse and label others as enemy agents, Patricia De Lille during the Bredell Land Campaign did accuse PAC members and some leaders as enemy agents, it seems as soon as there is a disagreement among comrades others are keen and quick to resort to such destructive methods without producing evidence to that effect. It is unfortunate about the extent of internal party infighting divisions or factionalism has assumed and become an internally self-sustained organism which continues to consume the remainder of the party. Indeed, 2009 and 2014 PAC performance continues to dwindle mainly as a consequence of internal intolerance and rooted factionalism. It matters less how we refute and deny the existence of the compounding and solidifying problems facing the party, as we continuously lose political ground and link with the most downtrodden and toiling masses in the country. We must thrive to break the vicious circle which has effectively arrested the forward movement and advancement of the Pan Africanist Agenda as enshrined in the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto, and such demands PAC branches and members to organise inclusive meetings and conference to unite and focus on concluding a Programme of Actions through which PAC can advance its socialist revolutionary path for total liberation and unification of Africa on a socialist programme. Lastly, I have personally requested and appealed as a matter of principle that my name should be removed from leadership slates crafted and circulated mainly because thus far in the Party, leadership lists have recently become a grouping arrangement which borders highly along factional interests thus finally such an approach has proven to deepen divisions than forging a principled unification approach of the PAC. Shango lashu Nkrumah -----Original Message----- From: Dumisani Mkhwente [mailto:lamzi...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 June 2014 01:08 PM To: Tongogara Ndima Cc: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Admin @ Pac; DSG @ PAC; Narius Moloto; Mzwandile Montjane; LEBOGANG GODFREY NGWATLE; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; Tshwane PAC Region; Vusi Mahlangu; Nkrumah; Siphiwe Nofuma; Apa Pooe; Michael Muendane; Gantsu; mnyhon...@yahoo.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; Ike Mafole; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; Mbulelo Raymond; victor.serakal...@dcs.gov.za; Sbusiso Xaba; Sam Ditshego; richardma...@yahoo.com; Nakaphala Bauba; babesmal...@gmail.com; Pinkie Monyane; Johnson Mlambo; Khosi Maqetuka; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; justice mvakali; payco@googlegroups.com; Alton Mphethi; david mabitsela; miles.ndl...@yahoo.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; Mapula Nkoana; Mangaliso Mdhlela; L.R. Mbinda; L Lekgwathi; wandisile gajana; eddie mfulwane; Smoll Zondo; phillip Dhlamini; dud...@webmail.co.za; Billiard Seth; Maciej Radzio; Xola Tyamzashe; Tumediso Modise; p...@vodamail.co.za; Phumzile Nomnga; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; Lehlogonolo Digashu; Dr. Motsoko Pheko; Tebogo Sekele; frambo...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; Tebogo Masipa; Solly Hlubi; sindi mbele; Keith Moyce; Lucas Mmola; Zola Nyamela; le...@pac.org.za; m...@pac.org.za; ki...@pac.org.za; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; bc...@netactive.co.za; nyalu...@live.co.za; nnyq...@gmail.com; nombule...@webmail.com; nol...@nactu.org.za; Moshe Mahlomola; ms...@webmail.co.za; mop...@pac.org.za; mafub...@hotmail.com; Mphiri Masoga; Ndade Mxunya; Malinge Plaatjie; Albert Mokoena; esei...@fedcraw.org.za; Edward Thobejane; ifm10...@iscor.com; Malesela Mogashwa; ic...@telkomsa.net; inqubelaphambili.tradeun...@gmail.com; p...@npswu.org.co.za; ad...@fedcraw.org.za; generalsecret...@mwasa.org.za; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; headoff...@sacwu.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; brian.gam...@unioinlife.co.za; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; np...@mweb.co.za; mose...@sacwu.co.za; mphahlel...@amcu.co.za; sduduzo andiswa; Sbongiseni Ayanda; Ali Maphalala; butheyane mary serunye; BONOLO TSHEGO; Thabo cyril Zwane; tsatsawani chauke; zweli cele; clementmar...@yahoo.com; danielmamony...@gmail.com; Dimakatso Moletsane; Excellent Rikhotso; Fumanile Ben; INNOCENT FRIDAY; Nhlanhla Fortune Xaba; Sbu Fire; Willy Fokane; fortune.speng...@gmail.com; gabula.j...@webmail.com; gemoanako...@webmail.co.za; hlatshwayonhlakanipho; Innocentia Mamaila; SELLO IRVIN LESABANE; jabu mkhwanazi; Jabulani Mothopeng; Lejoni John Kekana; Obakeng Jacobs; karabo mokgojwa; KHOISAN SONTI; kgothatso sithole; Lindo Thando; Metja Ledwaba; MXOLISI MAISELA; Nkosinathi Mngoma; Madosky Obama; pasma.gaut...@gmail.com; Tume Molomo; tumelo tele; Mofihli Likotsi; Vusumuzi Silaule; Xola Tyamzashe; zun...@tut.ac.za; ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; Dumisani Zwane; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; Horatio Motjuwadi; Jaki Seroke; g...@nactu.org.za; Mpumelelo Rulumente; PASMA Gauteng; Advocate K Sizani; Zamikhaya Gxabe; Jabu Makhanya; Narius Moloto; Kutie Thondlana; twa...@pac.org.za; Zukisa Mxesibe; ptob...@yahoo.com; anwar.ad...@capetown.gov.za; ckoms...@yahoo.com; Azi Mnandi; Luyanda Gwina; Joseph Thloloe; Jerry Vakasha; Ray Johnson; Julian Mohlala; Kindo Makhanda; Khethamabala Sithole; Baliwinile Kwankwa; KK Kekana; Kgomotso Matsebe; Lesomepedi Boshego; ju-...@webmail.co.za; Lifu Nhlapo; APLAMVA LIMPOMPO; APLAMVA Eastern Cape; APLAMVA FREE STATE; APLAMVA MPUMALANGA; APLAMVA NORTHWEST; APLAMVA WESTERN CAPE; pureafr...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: LAND REFORM Greetings I acknowledge this mail but I have to say I'm really disappointed in the manner that the email seek to address an individuals not to provide remedy to the situation that we are facing. The factionalism tendency won't end in the part more specially if we have people who degrade other members like this if you son of the soil you've bad issues with Narius n Mphethi swallow your pride and go to them in joberg n tell them what are they doing than to involve us into this conflict of power. I don't support individuals in PAC but I Respect the party and I will support any member of PAC who will be leading the PAC as long that executive is elected in PAC conference as I did to Cadre Letlapa executive. Mafrika we should know we won't lead all of us so accept if you're on the ground. I wonder and I'm still curious to know how does one say PAC is dying under the same leadership hence number don't lie majoni if you compare 2009 election outcome and 2014 outcome then you'll see that PAC increase with 2000 votes we still maintained the same seat. Mafrika plz stop manifests lies. Majoni my advise is dat if you want power do one thing go to da ground and help to form more PAC branches with the help of the PAC NEC to bless those branches n stop warning us about individuals. If the are buses to conference dat is good for PAC member since the transport will be available. Aluta On 6/26/14, Tongogara Ndima <ndimatongog...@gmail.com> wrote: > Moaforika Siya Ndamane > > Your effort is highly appreciated but the biggest problem facing PAC > is factions which corrodes and undermine any form of rationality. > Narius Moloto supported by those who formed part of the 11th May 2013 > 'NEC Meeting' achieved to destroy PAC in less than 24 months, this > destruction of PAC was quickly achieved in a manner that CIA and NIA > combined could not achieve. > > Our priority now is to root out factionalist leadership of > Mpethi-Moloto at the September 2014 National Conference, so that we > can be able to rebuild the PAC and also focus on constructive issues > such as party PoA and related policies. Lets focus on this immediate > priority and we can create an open democratic space to rebuild PAC. We > must be aware that Moloto has already started creating ghost branches > and ghost membership to be transported to Bloemfontein September > Conference. Moloto is having discussions with Likotsi who had agreed > to organise six buses of to the conference and legitimate branches > membership opposing Moloto will be excluded or their delegates will be > reduced. > > Moloto's term of office must be brought to closure to an end in > September > 2014 Bloemfontein Conference. I lobby all PAC Branches and Members to > join forces and unite to remove the divisive and bring to an end the > destruction programme of Narius Moloto. > > For those PAC Branches and members who did not get September > Conference Notices, find the attached Conference Notices and Proposed > Constitutional Amendments made by Moloto alone. Since when did an > individual propose constitutional amendments. Some constitutional > amendment proposed by Narius Moloto says that members must pay monthly > subscription of R100,00 which is R1200,00, now this becomes > discriminatory and excludes unemployed PAC members, and Narius Moloto > want to turn PAC to be another capitalist orientated party of the > working elites. We support monthly contribution, but such must not be > made compulsory and should be used to determine a membership political > status because majority of PAC branches are kept alive by unemployed and > workers who are paid low wages! > > Narius Moloto must also explain about Sobukwe Account, what happened > with the monies we contributed because he worked very closely with > Letlapa as the Party Builder. The idea of parallel structures has been > Moloto's idea during Letlapa term of office. Moloto must be removed > with immediate effect, I wonder why the NEC has not acted on him till > now! But we cannot waste anymore enough time > > This nonsense must stop! PAC Must Prevail, Lets Unite and Salvage the PAC! > > Izwe lethu > > Ndima > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:45 AM, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za> wrote: > >> Comrades >> >> >> >> Please interact with this Policy Proposal from Minister Gugile >> Nkwinti - Rural Development and Land reform. >> >> As the Liberation Movement we have a duty to engage this document and >> come up with concrete solutions on Land Question. This government is >> trying by all means to delay the restoration of the Land to its >> rightfull owners . >> . >> .understanding the reality of food security it is important that we >> come up with practical means to address the Land Question. >> >> Please take time to understand this Proposal in line with other Acts >> and Constitution of South Africa, identify ideological and political >> gaps that has to be addressed by the Basic Line of the PAC. >> >> What is important is for the PAC to critique this document and come >> up with a clear progressive Revolutionary solution that talks >> directly to the interest of the poor African majority. >> >> We just cannot be quiet on this matter at the same time we cannot be >> seen fumbling with unclear political line on the LAND QUESTION . . .! >> >> >> iAfrika >> >> SIYABULELA NDAMANE >> 083 790 6470 >> >> ". . . . . . I will always serve, suffer, and sacrifice anything for >> the cause for which the PAC stands, and will at all times be >> * ready to go on any mission that I may be called upon to perform. >> "* >> > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
