Izwe Lethu Cdes.
I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process
faster is the following;
1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or
under a very matured mediation team.
2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NEC they belong to
did not make it and as such they must forge a way forward or set up a process
to hand over the party to the members.
3. This will include the collapsing or ending of all court cases.
4. They must organise a PAC conference not a convention just to avoid a
gathering with no constitutional status and then members can propose for an
earlier elective congress knowing that there is no longer an NEC left..
5. To address Cde. Fihla's concerns on the how part it is our duty to tell
those whom we identify with closely as elected in Butterworth to assist the
process as we see it.
6. It is unavoidable that the reports of the President and the Secretary
General are likely to raise party problems and challenges like discipline,
parallels, lack of programmes and whatever will be presented must be accepted
except for aspects which maybe divisive.
7. Then we can establish a congress preparatory committee that will deal with
all administrative matters needed for a successful congress.
Lastly my view is that when we finalise find a consensus beyond these pity
issues then we must try hard to encourage a constructive engagement on future
leadership and if we lucky there must a consensus on at least key important
positions that requires a highly matured future leadership.
Izwe Lethu
On Thursday, September 4, 2014 5:32 PM, "sndam...@pac-cape.org.za"
<sndam...@pac-cape.org.za> wrote:
Comrades,
Let us organize our branches and they must identify positively with the
possible corrective measures to save the PAC. In each Region/ Province there
must be people who will take the responsibility to ensure this work is done. At
the National level there must be an all-inclusive meeting of leaders from all
provinces to engage on best possible roadmap to save the organization.
Having agreed on the Roadmap, then a All-inclusive Pan Africanist
Conference/Convention, then Annual National Conference of PAC (focus on
Policies, Program of Action, etc), then an electing PAC Annual National
Conference (Congress). . .this can be rollout over the period of 12 - 18
months.
* all-inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces
- Sept 2014
* All-inclusive Pan Africanist Conference/Convention
- Dec 2014
* Annual National Conference of PAC (Policies, Program of Action, etc)
- June 2015
* electing PAC Annual National Conference (Congress)
- Dec 2015
This can only work if we can be practical . . .
iAfrika
From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com>
M’Afrika
Comrade Linda, Comrade and Comrade Charge-in and all, from words to action,
are comrades willing to mobilise fellow comrades-branches and form part of an
open and inclusive meeting to consider all options including those proposed by
Cde Linda? We must bring into one pot all initiatives to create one common
action plan to salvage the PAC!
The disintegration of PAC must be arrested!
Shango lashu
NKrumah
On 2014-09-04 11:18, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za wrote:
Inkathazo abaselulawulweni bathi ayikho ingxaki . . .noba izibonakalela nje !
>The two calls you mentioned are supported by many of us . . .what is needed
>though is to ensure that this call is endorsed and supported by our structures
>where we belong and those structures has to be open about that. . .Let our
>structures in our branches, regions and provinces come out to officially
>pronounce and demand that to be done.
>It is our duty in all our regions to mobilize structures into this call and
>those structures can take a particular stance . . .in doing so we ought to
>understand that not everyone nor every structure will agree, it is the
>challenge that we have to deal with to ensure that the majority of structures
>in our regions buys into this call then that can be the official branch,
>regional and provincial position supported by the majority branches.
>Anything less than the majority support for this call is the prolonged chaos
>as we see. . .
>The mobilization of structures into this call needs leadership, we need to
>give that leadership on the ground otherwise lets forget we will forever talk
>with no progress.
>iAfrika
>
>
>On 2014-09-04 10:54, Linda Ndebele wrote:
>Greetings comrades,
>>Indeed our belovered movement is in crisis. The challenge is that we are in a
>>denial mode. Those who are in control of levers of power hold a view that all
>>is in order because they are in power and it will augur negatively if they
>>accept that the party is getting weaker each day under their guard. Those who
>>are outside of power, we hold a view that the party is in crisis, we don't
>>blame ourselves but those in power. In isizulu we say "Inkombankombane, lowo
>>nalowo uvikela ihlo lakhe".
>>What makes one not to see the light at the end of the tunnel, is that out of
>>all these discussions we hardly find a convergence point in terms of the
>>wayforward. Neither side presents any concrete plan and steps to rescue the
>>party from the quagmire it finds itself. There has been two interesting calls
>>made
that have not been entertained to this end. 1. The holding of an all-inclusive
Conference (whose aim would be to reconcile different factions, look at the
state of the party and devise strategies and decisions that can resuscitate the
PAC) 2. The call for a National Programme of Action (whose purpose would be to
marshal our efforts and gear PAC for state power).
>>I am quite certain comrades that hailing insults to each other and refusing
>>to take collective responsibility to the current state of the party will not
>>help our movement anyhow but will continue to discourage and demoralize our
>>die-hard members and drive in droves young supporters to EFF and other
>>political parties.
>>Leaders who must take PAC forward are those who are prepared to take
>>ownership to the mess PAC find itself and invite all to assist in cleaning up
>>our movement. We need leaders who would be hands-on, selfless and who can
>>rise above the problem.
>>I believe PAC can be rescued
only if we accept that we are in crisis, we all contributed to it and we need
everybody's shoulder on the deck to get our movement out of this mess.
>>Izwe lethu!
>>Linda Kwame Ndebele
>>Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
>>
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>>ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference
>>
>>Morning Cde. Raymond
>>
>>I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an
>>individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all
>>others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office
>>bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in Joburg which can hardly
>>pull one revolutionary programme. In terms of the history of the PAC you
>>maybe sitting with an SG who has performed worse than any other S.G at any
>>given.
>>
>>The SG went to several media houses claiming the PAC is ready to govern and
>>the elections results suggest something else. Any revolutionary leader must
>>be a person whom when time calls for serious introspection and checks and
>>balances he does so to assist the party not his/her self righteousness
>>attitude/mentality. Relying only on a conference which will have bussed and
>>ghost branches wont assist the party in anyway. Take the Birchwood Conference
>>I am told there were bussed delegates who never participated in discussions
>>and some were drinking alcohol as they were there for an outing.
>>
>>For me arguing endlessly with this so called NEC powers it is a waste of time
>>and the lesser we talk about this SG the better it is. The truth is since the
>>Butterworth Congress the PAC was never in politics and hence its silence in
>>the political activities of the country. I don't blame the SG because if
>>people who work with him attend meetings to discuss people and suspensions
>>and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough luck for PAC
>>members and its future. Personally I hate people who like claiming things
>>that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has developed capacity to
>>operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak revolutionary theory to say the
>>least.
>>
>>There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that
>>is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious
>>about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception it
>>was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office President
>>and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a
>>revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al
>>what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply
>>see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100
>>years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation,
>>disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of
>>party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will
>>remain the same.
>>
>>Izwe Lethu!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
>><nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Izwe lethu M'Afrika
>>Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you
>>raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from complete
>>obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'.
>>Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves!
>>Shango lashu Nkrumah
>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Admin @ Pac"
>><ad...@pac.org.za> Date: 02 Sep 2014 3:44 PM Subject: attack on party annual
>>conference To: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za>, <wgaj...@gmail.com>, <
>>rammymfulw...@gmail.com>, <richardma...@yahoo.com>, <
>>river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>, <
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>>Izwe Lethu
>>
>>Please find the attached for your attention.
>>Pass the message to other structure and members.
>>
>>Regards
>>PAC of Azania
>>Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11
>>Fax : 086 527 0380
>>Email : ad...@pac.org.za
>>Website: www.pac.org.za
>>
>>*A SHORT SAYING OFTEN
CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM*
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