The problem is: How do you dissolve the two contested PAC NEC structures not in a conference / congress, the highest decision-making bodies of the Party, as per the PAC Constitution? How do you convene the properly constituted PAC National Conference / Congress in line with the PAC Constitution? Which clause (s) in the PAC Constitution will be followed to establish the new structure constitutionally and also have the powers to convene the PAC National Conference or Congress in line with the PAC Constitution? According to the PAC Constitution, it is only the PAC NEC has powers to convene the PAC National Conference / Congress, not other structure?(Refer to the PAC Constitution). All PAC activities are only guided by the PAC Basic Documents, nothing more, nothing less. Hence, the need to get the buy-in from the existing NEC structures as constitutionally recognized entities elected in a PAC "Conferences" because they constitute PAC National leadership even by default. I used "Conferences" to emphasize the fact that that is so even if their status is debatable within the PAC. Remember, the decisions of courts of laws are not in line with and outside the PAC Constitution. They cannot be reached in violation of the PAC Constitution and then be binding to PAC members. Mbinda-led NEC may be legally recognised as PAC NEC but may at the same time unconstitutional and illlegimate within the PAC because it was elected in violation of the PAC Constitution. The same may apply to Mphahlele-led NEC. It is only a properly constituted PAC Conference / Conference can make such a decision, not courts or law or some kangaroo courts in some corners. Hence, the need to convene a properly constituted PAC Conference / Congress jointly organised by, at least, the two PAC NECs.
Comrade, let's remember: two wrongs do not make a right. We cannot correct the wrongs of others through our own wrong ways. The right way to run PAC affairs is to do everything in line with the PAC Basic Documents, especially the Constitution in this case. Any decisions (resolutions) taken outside the PAC national conferences / congresses are not PAC decisions (resolutions). Party decisions affecting branches are taken at branch meetings or AGMs, those affecting regional or provincial structures are taken at Regional or provincial conferences / congresses and also those affecting national structures are taken at national conferences / congresses as per the PAC Constitution as we know it. Any decisions taken not in line with the PAC Constitution are not PAC decisions / resolutions. This simply means the bottom-up approach will be in violation of the PAC Constitution and as such will be unconstitutional. That is the reason I said there is no logic in this approach as far as PAC processes and constitution are concerned. Its result will not be different from the Top-down approach. Both approaches are recipes for a breakaway from the PAC because their outcomes will not be PAC structures as per the PAC Constitution.The current leadership will be justify to expel the organisers of those dubious conferences / congresses as rebels who are destined to damage the image of PAC. Both approaches (Bottom-up / Top-dpwn) will reach political cul-del-sac very soon. Their results will suffer from illegality, unconstitutionality and illegitimacy. I rest my case. Izwe Lethu! On 14 September 2016 at 13:19, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrade Chargein > > The two approaches are contradictory both can unfold simultaneously > leading to a PAC UNITY National Conference, that is, Bottom-up and > Dissolution of parallel NEC's the formation of a Joint Committee then PAC > National Unity Conference. > > Shango lashu > Nkrumah > > On 14 Sep 2016 09:40, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Comrade Nkrumah >> >> Who calls the conference may be a major obstacle to my proposal but it >> can be overcome through collective effort. The feasible solution is to >> convene the special conference or congress jointly and the conference / >> congress to be co-chared by the joint / collective leadership of the three >> NECs (two PAC NECS and PAM NEC). That is, the two PAC NECs and PAM NEC to >> come together and convene the conference / congress jointly. That is not >> something new. After the PAC unbanning, the PAC Central Committee from >> exile under the leadership of PAC Chairman Johnson Mlambo and PAM NEC >> (representing PAC in the hone front) under the leadership of President >> Clarence Makwetu convened the 2nd PAC Congress jointly to elect the >> collective PAC leadership. Comrade Johnson Mlambo and other former PAC >> leaders can advised the joint committee how to convene conference / >> congress jointly from their experience. The joint committee may be composed >> of two representives from two PAC factions and PAM e,g, presidents and >> secretary=-generals of the three factions. Any arrangement can be decided >> on. Nothing is impossible. >> >> I know Mbinda-Moloto will try to resist the inclusion of Mphahlele's >> faction in the convening of the conference / congress. The truth is there >> can be no unity withiin the PAC without Mphahlele's faction. That we must >> admit it. We all need each other. Mbinda faction needs both PAM and >> Mphahlele's faction and vice-versa. I know many people are scared of >> Mphahlele as an individual for his consistence for what he believes in but >> they cannot wish him away from the PAC just like that. He is part and >> parcel of the PAC. He is an asset and liability of the PAC like Mabaso, >> Ntsie, Narius, Fihla, Mbinda, etc. We are products of PAC and no other >> political party. To wish us away from the PAC is wishful thinking. We will >> remain PAC inside or outside PAC. PAC must just learn how to live with us >> like Julius Malaema to the ANC or else we will be a toothache to the PAC, >> both individually or collectively. That is a fact. >> >> Comrades, PAM has no preconditions before attending PAC Special unity >> Conference/Congress if we are invited accordingly and as long as we are >> invited by PAC, not PAC factions (both Mbinda and Mphahlele faction or even >> new PAC faction). We will definitely attend a properly organised PAC >> Special Conference / Congress as long it will be organiised in line with >> the PAC Constitution adopted before Qwaqwa Congress (at Tompie Seleka >> Congress) as that is undoctored PAC Constitution. If PAC does not have it, >> we have it in our custody. >> >> Comrades, we are not scared to be swallowed by PAC leadership. We know >> what we stand for and what we expect for PAC unity to materialize. We have >> the right to march out of any unity conference / congress if it is not what >> we expected or even later breakaway from the unholy marriage. We are not >> obliged to unite if we are not the like-minded. >> >> That is our position. >> >> Izwe Lethu! >> >> On 13 September 2016 at 18:57, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < >> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Cde Chargein >>> >>> Conference convened by who, when there are parallel NEC's? >>> >>> Which Constitution become applicable to convene such a conference since >>> Mbinda-Moloto leadership faction follows it's own adopted in 2015 while >>> others follow GaMatlala 2000 Constitution? >>> >>> Will PAM accede to follow PAC protocols? >>> >>> Shango lashu >>> >>> Nkrumah >>> >>> On 13 Sep 2016 17:54, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Comrade Nkrumah >>>> >>>> i made my proposal in the document i drafted. I believe a special >>>> unity conference or congress should be convened to do wholistic >>>> introspextion and maximum self-criticism and ceiticism as a party, >>>> learn lessons from our successes and failures, take drastic >>>> resolutions to uproot factiomalism in the party, disband all factions >>>> and NEC structures elected based on factions, develop Party-building >>>> programme to unite the Party into a great party, establish collective >>>> leadership for collective responsibility, etc . >>>> >>>> On 13/09/2016, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Cde Chargein >>>> > >>>> > Point taken, then what's your proposal to defactionalise and forge >>>> > principled unity? >>>> > >>>> > Regards >>>> > Nkrumah >>>> > >>>> > On 13 Sep 2016 13:34, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Comrade Nkrumah >>>> >> >>>> >> Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach. >>>> >> >>>> >> The explanation you gave do not assist >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < >>>> >> nrkgag...@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > Cde Chargin >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach, >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an >>>> >> > unity >>>> >> > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 >>>> hours) >>>> >> and >>>> >> > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may >>>> lack >>>> >> > a >>>> >> > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly >>>> >> elitist >>>> >> > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates >>>> can >>>> >> > attend the conference . >>>> >> > >>>> >> > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the >>>> >> necessity >>>> >> > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches and regional >>>> levels as >>>> >> > a >>>> >> > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled >>>> unity of >>>> >> the >>>> >> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of >>>> party >>>> >> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent >>>> programmatic >>>> >> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of >>>> the >>>> >> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the >>>> >> > problem >>>> >> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. >>>> >> > These >>>> >> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which >>>> then >>>> >> in >>>> >> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete >>>> top-level >>>> >> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by >>>> >> > which >>>> >> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and >>>> >> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works >>>> from >>>> >> > the grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of >>>> people >>>> >> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a >>>> decision to >>>> >> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of >>>> >> > activists, >>>> >> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a >>>> "bottom-up" >>>> >> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental >>>> >> > change >>>> >> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld >>>> >> > primarily by members. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in >>>> one >>>> >> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." >>>> Two >>>> >> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if >>>> members >>>> >> per >>>> >> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an >>>> inclusive >>>> >> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by >>>> what >>>> >> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to >>>> >> > denounce >>>> >> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will >>>> >> catalyse >>>> >> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following >>>> >> > bottom >>>> >> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa >>>> leaderships to >>>> >> an >>>> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank >>>> discussions on >>>> >> the >>>> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them >>>> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg >>>> Region, >>>> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around >>>> >> > principles >>>> >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce >>>> factionalism >>>> >> > and >>>> >> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings, >>>> >> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have >>>> started >>>> >> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive >>>> >> > branch >>>> >> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are >>>> encouraged to >>>> >> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC >>>> branch. >>>> >> We >>>> >> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild >>>> >> > party >>>> >> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should >>>> >> > propagate >>>> >> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC. >>>> Regular >>>> >> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many >>>> >> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party >>>> >> (re)building >>>> >> > programme. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem >>>> solving.] >>>> >> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity >>>> Consultative >>>> >> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action. >>>> >> What's >>>> >> > fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged >>>> >> > principled >>>> >> > unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor >>>> >> progress >>>> >> > to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a >>>> provincial >>>> >> level >>>> >> > meaning from branch to regional to provincial level. 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