When we had an Apple 2E, I used a screenreader.  I forget which one it was 
now!  My dad had a Vic 20 computer before we had the Apple.  I think that 
commodore 64 was an offshoot of the Vic 20!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tyler Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: The Good Old Days (Was Mp3 players)


> wow! did commodore 64s have screen readers? If so, was it possible to play
> those awcem chip tunes (chip music) on them? ...apple...yes I remember 
> those
> kind of.
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> From: "Jamie Pauls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:12 PM
> Subject: The Good Old Days (Was Mp3 players)
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>> TJ, I apologize if my comments annoyed you. I began using a computer in
>> 1990
>> with a screen reader called ISOS, DOS 5.0, and Word Perfect 5.1 with 30
>> minutes of training on how to use a computer. Thank God for "Mastering
>> Word
>> Perfect" available from what was then just plain old RFB on cassette, and
>> a
>> Braille book on DOS 5.0 from NLS. I can remember many nights going to bed
>> a
>> 2 in the morning wondering of the $2500 I'd spent on a computer was a
>> total
>> waste. I have absolutely no trouble today using Audible, iTunes, my iPod,
>> web-based e-mail when necessary, and Money Talks to balance my checkbook.
>> The blind community has come a long way in 15 years. If some scripts can
>> tell me that the Winamp equalizer is open, that I am listening to track 3
>> of
>> a CD, that the title is "Mary Had A Little Lamb" and that there is 1
>> minute
>> 40 seconds remaining in the track, I'll take that and be grateful. If I
>> have
>> to do a bit more work to  make a program work, I'm quite willing to do
>> that.
>> I don't work for Freedom Scientific or anyone else who develops a screen
>> reader, but those guys and gals work their tails off. I think we should 
>> be
>> glad for what we have while striving to acquire even more. I'm sure this
>> thread will get quite a bit longer from here and I eagerly look forward 
>> to
>> the ride.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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>> On Behalf Of TJ Olsen
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:50 PM
>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>> Subject: Re: Mp3 players
>>
>> to many blind people become overly dependant on this sort of thing. I 
>> hate
>> to harp but i remember copying and pasting webpages in notepad to read
>> them
>> (see jaws 2.0). So making coments like that just make me very anoyed.
>> The softwear since its earliest days, same as the old msn were writen 
>> very
>> easily to use. I object to the bloating of jaws i've seen in more recent
>> years, like the  sounds manager, scripts for things that don't need tehm.
>> I
>> hope that noone here will be willing to support eht google cripts?
>>
>> tj
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jamie Pauls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'PC audio discussion list. '" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:41 PM
>> Subject: RE: Mp3 players
>>
>>
>>> But they are so nice! Lots of neat feedback.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Behalf Of TJ Olsen
>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:34 PM
>>> To: PC audio discussion list.
>>> Subject: Re: Mp3 players
>>>
>>> winamp absolutely doesn't need scripts. IIt works amazingly with out 
>>> them
>>> really
>>>
>>> ya you can't bet it really
>>> tj
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jamie Pauls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:42 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Mp3 players
>>>
>>>
>>>> With Jaws, you really can't beat Winamp even though it is a bit
>>>> nonstandard
>>>> in its keyboard commands. The scripts for that program, which come
>>>> automatically installed with Jaws, show what really good scripting can
>>>> do
>>>> for a program.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jed Barton
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 10:36 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Mp3 players
>>>>
>>>> Alright guys, haven't been watching the stuff on the list.
>>>> What's a good, easy to run mp3 player?
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
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