I personally don't use itunes, will never use itunes, but I have written to apple, and tried to contact someone by phone. Because I don't want to use a program does not mean I won't try to put my voice out there to help. It's a vastly popular application, and there's no reason they couldn't make it accessable.
If they finally do, I will be very happy. Rickarama contact info msn [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype lord_of_beer aim r_claypo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shandrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 02:17 PM Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple > OK. Good. That's great news in that case. Looking forward to some > actual > results then. It has only been a few years and 7 major versions of > iTunes... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple > > >> I'm talking to people who are working with Apple on Itunes yes. >> >> On 08/03/2007, at 4:32 AM, Darrell Shandrow wrote: >> >> Hi Dane, >> >> Many us have written to many different people and general e-mail >> addresses >> at Apple Computer over the years and have gotten no responses. Are you >> saying that you're talking with people in Apple who are saying it is >> in the >> works, or are you talking with people outside Apple who are just >> hoping and >> praying it'll eventually be done? >> Just want to be clear. >> >> Thanks. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:57 AM >> Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple >> >> >>> Ok, well I take my hat off to you for writing as allot of people just >>> sit back and let others do the hard work but I can assure you from >>> people I've spoken to that Itunes for Windows and accessability >>> issues are indeed being worked on. >>> >>> On 08/03/2007, at 3:49 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: >>> >>> But see, that's the point, I have written to Apple several times >>> requesting that they atempt to make their Windows version of iTunes >>> more friendly to screenreader users, and to date I haven't seen much >>> action. So, I have gotten to them and requested that some work be >>> done. True, most people won't, but I did, and all I got back was a >>> big fat nothing in response. >>> >>> At 10:31 AM 3/7/2007, you wrote: >>>> I think that comment to be extremely unfair, Apple put out a Windows >>>> version of Itunes for the simple reason that not everyone uses or >>>> wants to use a Mac and people have the right to use or not to use >>>> what they want and Apple like the rest of us recognises that 90% of >>>> computer users out there use Windows so it makes good marketing sense >>>> to have Itunes working on a Windows platform. >>>> Now something I'm extremely curious about, why is it that people >>>> using PC's and Windows like to spend there time whining whilst people >>>> using Apple Macs seem to be concentrate on writing constructive >>>> letters to people and trying to get accessability issues sorted out >>>> <smile>. >>>> >>>> On 08/03/2007, at 2:55 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote: >>>> >>>> Here here Jeff, couldn't agree with you more man. I think Apple put >>>> out their Windows version of iTunes mainly so that they could say >>>> they have a Windows version out, and they could give a crap less >>>> about accessibility. >>>> Yell and scream about how great it is Mac users, you finally got what >>>> you wanted. But I'm going to continue to hold Apple in contempt >>>> until they produce a screenreader friendly version of iTunes. When I >>>> say "screenreader friendly", I mean a version that does not require >>>> the use of scripts or set files to work. Fat chance of that >>>> happening...I'll believe it when it happens. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 09:24 AM 3/7/2007, you wrote: >>>>> The proof is in the pudding. Apple still hasn't gotten Windows >>>>> Vista >>>>> support done let alone accessibility, so I am sure it is merely a >>>>> priority >>>>> for the Mac platform more then it is for the Windows platform. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> audio.org] >>>>> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:55 AM >>>>> To: PC audio discussion list. >>>>> Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple >>>>> >>>>> Better accessability for Itunes is being worked on. I'm not making >>>>> excuses >>>>> for Apple but everything takes time and I'm sure that Windows users >>>>> will end >>>>> up with a totally accessible version of Itunes before too long, >>>>> just be >>>>> patient, can't say too much right now. >>>>> Why do Apple users make a thing about how accessible Itunes is? >>>>> Because quite simply its worth making a thing about, its taken a >>>>> while but >>>>> Itunes has turned overnight from something which wasn't all that >>>>> accessible >>>>> at all (more near to totally inaccessible) to something which is >>>>> getting to >>>>> the point of being near totally accessible so that in itself is >>>>> worth making >>>>> a thing about plus the fact that all the hard work and all the >>>>> correspondence between Apple and Voiceover users finally paid off, >>>>> we now >>>>> have a commitment on behalf of Apple that further development will >>>>> continue >>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>> On 08/03/2007, at 12:28 AM, Stephen Guerra wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It appears that those who are using Macs are giving praise to Apple >>>>> where I >>>>> as a Windows user still as most find that Itunes is still lacking. >>>>> >>>>> Seems like any hint of an Apple user makes them scream that the >>>>> little >>>>> tidbit that Apple does is golden, well, its not and they are not, >>>>> (meaning >>>>> Apple) are Golden Delicious. >>>>> >>>>> More like rotten Macintosh! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stephen A. Guerra >>>>> Assistive Technology Specialist >>>>> Independent Living Aids >>>>> >>>>> "Products for Your Active Independent Life!" >>>>> >>>>> 200 Robbins Lane >>>>> Jericho, NY 11753 >>>>> Phone: (516) 937-1848-x313 >>>>> Fax: (516) 937-3906 >>>>> >>>>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Skype: ILASteve >>>>> Web Site: >>>>> http://www.independentliving.com >>>>> http://www.soundbytes.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> audio.org] >>>>> On Behalf Of David Tanner >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:15 AM >>>>> To: PC audio discussion list. >>>>> Subject: Re: Hats Off to Apple >>>>> >>>>> Why doesn't that surprise me??? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Chris Skarstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:14 PM >>>>> Subject: RE: Hats Off to Apple >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> : Yes, I have tried iTunes 7.1 under windows, I wanted to try to >>>>> have >>>>> : an open mind and try it, and guess what? It is still just as >>>>> : inaccessible as it was previously. So apple is still the lose, at >>>>> : least under the windows platform. >>>>> : and because Apple has made *absolutely* no efforts whatsoever in >>>>> : making the windows version of iTunes more accessible, I can't >>>>> support >>>>> them. >>>>> : >>>>> : >>>>> : >>>>> : >>>>> : >>>>> : >>>>> : >>>>> : >>>>> : At 01:54 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote: >>>>> : >Has anyone tried it with windows >>>>> : > >>>>> : > >>>>> : > >>>>> : >Stephen A. Guerra >>>>> : >Assistive Technology Specialist >>>>> : >Independent Living Aids >>>>> : > >>>>> : >"Products for Your Active Independent Life!" >>>>> : > >>>>> : >200 Robbins Lane >>>>> : >Jericho, NY 11753 >>>>> : >Phone: (516) 937-1848-x313 >>>>> : > Fax: (516) 937-3906 >>>>> : > >>>>> : >E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> : >Skype: ILASteve >>>>> : >Web Site: >>>>> : >http://www.independentliving.com >>>>> : >http://www.soundbytes.com >>>>> : > >>>>> : > >>>>> : >-----Original Message----- >>>>> : >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> : >On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan >>>>> : >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 2:38 PM >>>>> : >To: PC audio discussion list. >>>>> : >Subject: Fwd: Hats Off to Apple >>>>> : > >>>>> : >Ok, here's the announcement about the new version of Itunes for >>>>> Mac. >>>>> : > >>>>> : > >>>>> : >Begin forwarded message: >>>>> : > >>>>> : > > Apple has truly done what some might consider impossible; on >>>>> March 5, >>>>> : > > 2007, Apple unveiled a long-awaited update to iTunes with >>>>> support for >>>>> : > > accessible clients such as VoiceOver. >>>>> : > > >>>>> : > > This comes nearly 22 months after the release of Mac OS X >>>>> 10.4 which >>>>> : > > introduced the VoiceOver screen reader. Since VoiceOver's >>>>> : > > introduction, the VO user community has been very vocal about >>>>> the >>>>> : > > desire for an accessible iTunes. Apple has listened and >>>>> delivered ... >>>>> : > > at long last! >>>>> : > > >>>>> : > > While iTunes' accessibility is a far cry from perfect, it does >>>>> : > > represent a significant step forward from what was possible >>>>> before. >>>>> : > > Users can browse their iTunes library, search and preview >>>>> songs from >>>>> : > > the iTunes Music Store, adjust song ratings, and much, much >>>>> more. If >>>>> : > > iTunes 7.1 is any indication, then we can expect >>>>> improvements to >>>>> : > > iTunes accessibility in future releases of the product. >>>>> : > > >>>>> : > > Everyone who appreciates the work Apple has done to bring >>>>> forth the >>>>> : > > accessible version of iTunes should E-mail >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and >>>>> : > > thank them for their hard work. Many of us were quick to >>>>> bash Apple >>>>> : > > for not making iTunes 7 accessible. We should be just as >>>>> quick to >>>>> : > > express our appreciation for iTunes 7.1. >>>>> : > > >>>>> : > > To that end, I say, "Hats off!" Now please work on making >>>>> the iPod >>>>> : > > and the iPhone accessible. >>>>> : > >>>>> : >Dane Trethowan >>>>> : >Phone/TTY +61 3 9747 3975 >>>>> : >Fax: +61 3 9743 7954 >>>>> : >msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> : >skype: grtdane12 >>>>> : > >>>>> : > >>>>> : > >>>>> : >________________________________________________________________ >>>>> : >Did you know! This message could have been secured by the TFT >>>>> BBS >>>>> Digital >>>>> : >Security Initiative. 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