--- Begin Message --- Hi, I am the same, I went out bought a mac mini, an I mac and tried really hard just couldn't get on with it it was a real learning curve but I got it working then mail started playing up the mac mail program seems to be a bit hit and miss with gmail! anyway I gave up and got 2 all in one pc's and now am happy again won't do this again I am a window's user now for good.

On 22/03/2016 20:57, Tony wrote:
Assuming the program developers care about voice over.  What about all of the 
"improvements that break previous voice over access?

Just asking as I have also considered changing to a Mac but am leaning back to 
the dreaded old PC.

Tony


-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andy Logue
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:14 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10

He Guy's.  I'm a Microsoft remember Ha?  I understand nothing about Apple or 
it's supports.  I think, It's safe to assume however, that Apple will prove 
very helpful.  Just look at voice-over.  Works out of the box on all products 
for no extra cash.  Not quite the Same as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific eh?

Very best wishes.
Andy.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" <[email protected]>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10


also applevis is another good resource
www.applevis.com

On 3/22/2016 5:55 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Why do you need to go to all that trouble when Apple has all the up to
date documentation on their support pages?


On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:50 PM, Andy Logue <[email protected]> wrote:

No Dane, you misunderstand me my friend.  What I was saying was that
this guy Mike really knew his stuff back then and must be up to date
with all the newer devices and OS.  All I need do is contact someone
like  Rick at the Blind Geek Zone, who may well put me in touch with
him.

Very best wishes.
Andy.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan"
<[email protected]>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10


2011 was 5 years ago and much has changed since then so time to get hold
of some updated information me thinks and I don’t care how good he
sounds to listen to, accurate and up to date information is more
important.


On 22 Mar 2016, at 11:31 PM, Andy Logue <[email protected]>
wrote:

Hi Brian.

Yes, I was listening this morning to a Blind Cool Tech archive
concerning the Mac Demo 14, which was recorded in 2011, by a guy called
Mike Arrigo. I just loved listening to this guy speak and that of
course was almost five years ago.

I've no doubt that If Mike has an up to date tutorial on the new imac
Retina, with some hard work, I'll learn the key-strokes  This morning,
I was also in contact with an organisation in Glasgow who have an open
door policy to learning all Apple products.  Aparently, all you do is
walk in the front door and you'll get a chance to feel and check-out
the item of your choice, which in my situation is a desk-top Mac.

So I'm getting pretty excitted now about finding out more.  Much more
excited than toing attending  a Windows 10 demo, So my mind is clearly
made up, just need a little more cash now.

Very best wishes.

Andy.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Olesen" <[email protected]>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:29 AM
Subject: SV: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10


Hi,
Interacting with things in mac OS requires quite a lot of key strokes
though.
On the winning side web browsing is a breeze on Mac.

Brian

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Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne af Robert
Nelson
Sendt: 21. marts 2016 22:40
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Emne: RE: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10


Perhaps but you must understand that learning about Mac OS and
VoiceOver is
only the beginning.

If you had no experience with windows, you would accept  that the
awkward
way things are done in MAC OS  is normal but with a little experience
of
windows you will find yourself trying to work out the mind set of those
who
devised the OS and VoiceOver.

However, given your experience in windows you may find that something
like
audio editing  has a steep learning curve.  Yes, I know that Garage
Band,
Amadeus Pro and Twisted Wave are very good audio editing programs for
sighted people but for a blind person they can be very frustrating.

The question you should be asking yourself is: is there anything that I
would want to do that can only be done on a Mac and, if so, is it
important
enough for you to justify the outlay, considering that most of the
things
you might want to do are possible through your I Phone.

Anyhow, excuse me while I duck around the back to avoid the arrows and
flames of the Apple fans!

Bob Nelson


-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andy
Logue
Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2016 5:46 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10

Hi Devon and Hamit.

I've always wanted to check out a mac computer but because ive been so
brainwashed in Microsoft, I didn't  have the self confidence to try it
out
for myself.

What I was thinking was to keep my old Windows machine active for my
mail
and so on, but the Mac could sit alone in another room and if I spend
some
time each day, then I should be able to grasp the basic?  eh?
Especially if

I joined a blind mac list.

One thing I have already found out that my Imac Store, which is in
glasgow,
will spend up to an hour with a new customer in the shop.  Perhaps they
may
be interessted in offering me a little more start-up time, given my
blindness?  Worth checking out eh?

Thanks for your ideas guys.  For the meantime, I'm going to check out
everything I can on the Imac Retina on the webpage.

Thanks again.
Andy.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Prater" <[email protected]>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10


Apple has a getting started guide, right when you turn on a new Mac.
Just
wait a minute or two then follow the spoken instructions.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Hamit Campos <[email protected]>
wrote:

An IMac as in the Apple computer? If so there are Mac lists and stuff
but
you'd have to listen to a lot of podcasts and stuff because you must
then
now learn Mac OS. If I'm understanding the question correctly. I had
learned
Mac OS but I've gotten Rusty.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Andy
Logue
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:57 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <[email protected]>
Subject: Thinking seriously on an Imac rather than a new Windows 10

Hi all.

I love everything audio concerning my computer.  I've music, described
movies and talking books and I use programmes such as Goldwave to
record
streaming music.  I also love burning the odd CD for a friend and
recently,
I've purchased a Zoom H6 digital recorder for even more interesting
audio
work.

Many of my friends, who are not blind are telling me to buy the new
Imac
Retina and plug that into my AV and sound system.

Any members use Imac for this sort ofstuff and is there any support
for a
new comer like myself about.

Any advice would be very much appriciated.

Very best wishes.
Andy.









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