OK. Got it. Thanks. Adrian -- Support an author and your imagination. Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales. More Tales from the Wood - Eighteen MORE new fairy tales. https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 Or buy from me direct. From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 March 2017 00:00 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Hi Adrian, Many thanks for your comments. I will let the document authors reply to your points, but I just wanted to clarify the process that we've followed. The draft, and a summary of the changes it introduced, was advertised to the working group with an email to the list on 3 Nov last year. The authors followed this up with a presentation at IETF 97, where they asked for guidance on how to proceed with the issues they were raising. The options we considered were to either raise a new erratum or publish this bis-draft as a new RFC. After discussion we decided to do both, which is why the proposed changes are now in the errata system. I do understand your points and I tend to agree on reflection that some of the changes in erratum 4867 are not really suitable for an Errata Report. However I must stress that the erratum was raised _after_ the changes were announced and discussed, and there did seem to be consensus behind those changes (or at least, no dissention). Best regards Jon From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 28 March 2017 17:18 To: Jonathan Hardwick <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Hi Jon, I see that WG last call completed in silence. Possibly a function of people preparing for IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks it is obvious to update the RFC and move on. Anyway, since I'm sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is a little too esoteric even for me, here is a quick (but late) review. Cheers, Adrian === Unfortunate effect of a bis is that the author count has gone OTT. --- A bit odd to wipe the Acknowledgements of the people who contributed to RFC 6006. --- Why has Zafar disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains on the front page)? --- Good job picking up the five errata that are on file. I was a little surprised to see some additional changes that have not been flagged to the WG nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a changes section such as Appendix A). --- I see you added some text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain the RBNF that follows, so that is probably OK. --- I must have missed the discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about that. There are three issues, I think 1. Trying to pack all RBNF into the spec as though the RBNF was the normative definition of the message format. It isn't and was never intended to be. Doing this gets infinitely complicated as more objects are added. Doesn't mean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just not necessary. 2. Removal of <BANDWIDTH> from <RRO-List> is wrong, I think. As I see it: You can apply <BANDWIDTH> to the whole <RRO-List> by placing it after the <RRO-List>. If you want one <RRO> in an <RRO-List> to have a different <BANDWIDTH> you can include a separate <BANDWIDTH> after the <RRO>. I think you have *changed* the specification so that the way this function is achieved is to pull the <RRO> that has a different <BANDWIDTH> out into a different <RRO-List>. That's functional and can be changed if that is what people want and have discussed, but doing it with an Errata is a mistake because it was not an error in the document. 3. You also see to think that <BANDWIDTH> cannot be applied to the <END-POINTS> unless an <RRO-LIST> is present. I think that is wrong, too. If it makes sense to have <END-POINTS> without an an <RRO-List> why would you not allow each instance of <END-POINTS> to have its own <BANDWIDTH>? This also seems to be a change of substance rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG is free to make this change, but surely not without discussion. --- I see you have added some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just explanation and is probably OK. --- The fix in 3.12 looks good, but was not flagged to the WG. From: Pce [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 10 March 2017 13:55 To: [email protected] Subject: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Dear PCE working group, This email starts a working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis/ Please read the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you believe this document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments on why not). The last call will end on Monday 20 March. Best regards Jon, JP and Julien
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