Dhruv,
Lots of thanks for a prompt response and valuable inputs.
My colleagues and I will look at the documents you’ve pointed.
I have already responded to Adrian’s questions in an earlier email (attached
for your convenience). Hopefully my answers clarify the context of our
questions.
Regards,
Sasha
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Dhody
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Subject: Re: [Pce] Is there any activity related to PCE graceful restart?
Hi Sasha,
Since you pointed stateful PCE specifically, the draft talks about what to do
during a session restart.
[https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-19#section-5.6]
There is another draft that talks about optimizing it -
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations/
Note that we also have re-delagation, which would try to find another active
stateful PCE to take over control -
[https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-19#section-5.7.5]
As Adrian asked, do you have something else in mind when you say GR?
Regards,
Dhruv
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Re-sending with the correct WG mailing list address…
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Sasha
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Subject: Is there any activity related to PCE graceful restart?
Hi all,
My colleagues and I tried to find any work in the PCE WG related to PCEP
graceful restart.
So far, we did not succeed. This could mean one of the following:
- Our search did not go deep enough. In this case pointers to any
specific documents would be highly appreciated
- Such work does not exist because (for some reason) it is not
required. This looks problematic to me, especially if we deal with a stateful
active PCE and the path computed by the PCE was implemented using Segment
Routing (so that only the head end of the computed path is aware of the path).
However, I could have missed something obvious, and any clarifications would be
highly appreciated
- Such work is required but, so far, nobody has taken care of it. The
implications are obvious:-(.
Your feedback would be highly appreciated.
Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,
Sasha
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Adrian,
Lots of thanks for a prompt response.
However, our primary interest is the control plane (including PCC) restart in a
network element with separated control and forwarding planes.
Specifically, my colleagues and I try to understand, how to make such a restart
non-traffic affecting while:
- The network uses Segment Routing for setting up paths computed by
the PCE. This means that these paths are only known to their respective
head-end nodes. This situation is different from the scenario where RSVP-TE is
used to signal these paths, since they cannot be re-learned from the neighbors
as part of the RSVP-TE graceful restart procedures
- The protocols used for distributing SR-related information (i.e.,
IGP and BGP SR extensions) are GR-capable, and GR for them is enabled in the
network
- The PCE is an active stateful PCE, i.e., it instructs the head-end
node, which paths should be set up without any requests coming from the nodes.
Hopefully this clarifies the context for our question.
It may well be that the requirement for non-traffic affecting control plane
restart can be addressed without any changed to the existing protocols.
Alternatively, it is possible that some minor changes (like making the PCE
aware of separation between the control and forwarding planes, negotiation of
GR capabilities and grace periods etc.) are required.
Any inputs would be highly appreciated.
Regards, and lots fo thanks in advance,
Sasha
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From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:[email protected]]
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Subject: RE: [Pce] Is there any activity related to PCE graceful restart?
Sasha,
What are you hoping to achieve?
That a restarting PCE can retain its TED and LSP-DB?
That a restarting PCE can synch state with the network?
That a restarting PCE with outstanding (unanswered) messages in either
direction can not need to resend them?
That a restarting PCE can resend outstanding (unanswered) messages without
problems caused by duplication?
I think you may want to read around the definition of the request-id. Although
5440 doesn't make it explicit, a lot comes from how you process the request-id.
That "a lot" arose from consideration of parallel sessions and distilled to not
needing to write about restart.
Cheers,
Adrian (resurrecting old memories, possibly not entirely accurately)
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Subject: Re: [Pce] Is there any activity related to PCE graceful restart?
Re-sending with the correct WG mailing list address...
Regards,
Sasha
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Marina Fizgeer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>;
Alexander Ferdman
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Subject: Is there any activity related to PCE graceful restart?
Hi all,
My colleagues and I tried to find any work in the PCE WG related to PCEP
graceful restart.
So far, we did not succeed. This could mean one of the following:
- Our search did not go deep enough. In this case pointers to any
specific documents would be highly appreciated
- Such work does not exist because (for some reason) it is not
required. This looks problematic to me, especially if we deal with a stateful
active PCE and the path computed by the PCE was implemented using Segment
Routing (so that only the head end of the computed path is aware of the path).
However, I could have missed something obvious, and any clarifications would be
highly appreciated
- Such work is required but, so far, nobody has taken care of it. The
implications are obvious:-(.
Your feedback would be highly appreciated.
Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,
Sasha
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