Hi Chairs, I'm trying to think of ways that the WG participants can get a bet view of what process work is pending and when to expect it.
At each IETF meeting you present a useful slide showing the "WG documents at or near last call" For example, at IETF 103 you showed https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-pce-1-administ rivia-and-wg-status-00.pdf which indicates that we had four documents pending shepherd review. - inter-area-as-applicability - stateful-pce-p2mp - hierarchy-extensions - association-group ..and four documents in the queue for WG last call - stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth - applicability-actn - pcep-stateful-pce-gmpls - stateful-hpce This list is helpful because those of us who want to see work move along can get in early and do our "last call reviews" even before last call is started. Looking at the datatracker and the mailing list, I see that: - one draft expired ages ago - one draft has been waiting for the shepherd for 6 weeks - one has been waiting for the shepherd for only 1 week (seems reasonable :-) - one has been waiting for the shepherd for 12 weeks or more I also see that none of the four WG last calls has been started. Now, I really don't want to be pissy here: I appreciate the work that the chairs' do and I know that no one ever got rich being a WG chair. But I wonder whether we could unstick this a bit and move the drafts along. Maybe it would help to put this list on the WG wiki so that we can see in a little bit more detail what the next steps are and who we should be prodding. If there's a reason why a document is hung, then it would be a good place to put a note so that we can see. It would also help set our expectations with regard to ordered lists and timing. Alternatively, some additional details could easily be put in the tracker using the sub-states, tags, and history comments. That wouldn't be as easy to see the whole list and understand the ordering challenges, but it would keep all the information in one place. At the same time, I'm trying to work out which documents are queued for consideration for WG adoption. Now, I know that we can all work on drafts at any time and don't have to wait for them to be adopted before considering them seriously, but it is a bit confusing not being able to tell which documents are waiting for process and when they are likely to be considered. I looked in the datatracker and I don't see any use of the sub-states/tags that can indicate "Candidate for WG Adoption". Do the chairs have a list of documents that they are considering for adoption? Sharing that list (such as on the wiki) would help save the authors from pestering the chairs at every opportunity, and would also set expectations for the working group with regard to timing and ordering. The last adoption poll I can see on the list ended on October 26th (with the chairs calling "no conclusion") - was that really the only document ready for consideration? I think this could be made to a go a lot more smoothly with greater visibility into the queue, and a wiki page would be cheap and easy to maintain. I bet the WG secretary would be willing to do this (Hi, Dhruv :-) but if not, I can set it up and the chairs can add the data. Thanks for your consideration. Best, Adrian -- Fairy tales from North Wales brought to you for Christmas https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ Available from your favourite online bookseller. Or contact me to receive a signed copy by mail. _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce
