Maybe the phrase should be: PCEP implementations that support TLS 1.3 MUST ...

Russ

> On Oct 14, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Adrian Farrel <adr...@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Rus.
> 
> What I didn't express well (don't write emails when you have been doing hard
> concentration work for 9.5 hours straight!) is that it is possible to think
> that this work is telling all PCEP implementations what they must do. I have
> spoken to one person who was very worried that this was updating what their
> existing implementation would need to do.
> 
> I'm clear that the intention is to describe what PCEPS implementations that
> support TLS 1.3 are supposed to do, and that doesn't have any knock-on for
> other work, but, yes, a very simple addition of "of this specification"
> makes all the concerns go away.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adrian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Housley <hous...@vigilsec.com> 
> Sent: 14 October 2022 13:46
> To: Adrian Farrel <adr...@olddog.co.uk>
> Cc: draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tl...@ietf.org; pce@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Thinking about draft-dhody-pce-pceps-tls13
> 
> Adrian:
> 
> TLS 1.2 does not have early data, and the algorithm registries arefor TLS
> 1.2 and TLS 1.3 are separate, o I do not think there is confusion.  That
> said, I do not object to adding the phrase.
> 
> Russ
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2022, at 5:42 PM, Adrian Farrel <adr...@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks for kicking off work to get PCEP able to work with TLS1.3.
>> 
>> This is important.
>> 
>> However... :-)
>> 
>> I think it would be helpful to clarify that statements about what
>> implementations must or must not do (etc.) should be scoped as
>> "implementations of this document." That is, you are not constraining PCEP
>> implementations in general, and I don't even thing you are constraining
>> TLS1.2 PCEP implementations. Well, if it was your intent to do otherwise,
>> you really need to be clear that you are updating the base specs, but I
> hope
>> you're not.
>> 
>> Further, I am worried about the use of draft-ietf-tls-rfc8446bis as a
>> normative reference. I understand that the long term intention is that
> that
>> draft will obsolete RFC 8446, but it seems to be moving slowly (if at all
> -
>> it has expired). I think that implementers wanting to apply TLS1.3 to
> their
>> PCEP code will want to pick up TLS1.3 implementations that are stable
> (i.e.,
>> based on RFCs). Now, by the time this draft gets to completion, it is
> quite
>> possible that 8446bis will have completed, and the draft can be updated to
>> reference it and pick any additional points it makes. On the other hand,
> if
>> this draft makes it to the RFC Editor queue before 8446bis is complete, I
>> don't think you'd want it to sit around, and a subsequent bis can be made
>> when 8446bis becomes an RFC.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Adrian
>> 
>> 
> 

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