Hi Adrian,

OK, good point.
We will cover these three questions in rev 09.

Thanks,

JL

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Adrian Farrel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Envoyé : jeudi 4 octobre 2007 14:50
> À : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet : Re: [Pce] TLV Format
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Did you see the question about padding and lengths on the 
> CCAMP and OSPF lists?
> 
> It might be worth getting this explained in the PCEP I-D, as 
> well. The questions are:
> 
> When an object contains a TLV with padding (so the TLV length 
> field does not include the length of the padding) what is the 
> value of the length field in the object?
> 
> When a TLV contains multiple TLVs with padding, what is the 
> value of the length field in the object?
> 
> When a TLV contains sub-TLVs with padding, what is the value 
> of the length field in the TLV?
> 
> These three questions seem to have well-known and "obvious" 
> answers for other protocols, but are not written down. Let's 
> write them down for PCEP.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adrian
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:25 AM
> Subject: RE: [Pce] TLV Format
> 
> 
> Hi Fabien
> 
> Sorry for the late reply
> 
> Please see inline,
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> De : Fabien VERHAEGHE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Envoyé : jeudi 4 octobre 2007 10:06
> À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet : TR: [Pce] TLV Format
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> 
> I did not see any reply for this comment.
> 
> I seize the opportunity to clarify my opinion:
> 
> 
> 
> I think TLV alignment statement must be a general rules for 
> all TLVs of a 
> given object.
> 
> 
> 
> Definitely right. We are going to add a section on generic 
> TLV encoding. All 
> TLVs specificed in PCEP objects will have to follow this encoding.
> 
> 
> 
> Here it is:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 7.1.1. PCEP Object TLVs
> 
> 
> 
> A PCEP object may include a set of one or more optional TLV(s).
> A PCEP object TLV is comprised of 2 octets for the type, 2 
> octets specifying 
> the TLV length,
> and a value field. The Length field defines the length of the 
> value portion 
> in octets.
> The TLV is padded to four-octet alignment; padding is not 
> included in the 
> Length field
> (so a three octet value would have a length of three, but the 
> total size of 
> the TLV would
> be eight octets).
> 
> PCEP Object TLV types MUST be managed by IANA.
> 
> Unrecognized TLVs MUST be ignored.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Note that this is the encoding already used in RFC 3630 & 4420.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The draft then needs also to specify that the alignment 
> padding bytes must 
> be included before
> 
> or after the value field.
> 
> 
> 
> The Length field would carry the actual length of the value 
> without padding 
> bytes due to alignment.
> 
> 
> 
> Those statements seem important to me for the processing of 
> unknown TLVs.
> 
> 
> 
> Sure
> 
> 
> 
> With this general rules there is no need to specify that 2 
> unused bytes must 
> be added for 4 bytes length
> 
> value TLV such as The REQ-MISSING.
> 
> 
> 
> Note that I'm not sure why the draft proposed a 8 bytes 
> alignment (Why not 4 
> bytes since in section 7.1
> 
> it is said that object length must always be a multiple of 4?).
> 
> 
> 
> Yes this was a mistake. We are going to align TLV definitions 
> to new section 
> 7.1.1.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your comment.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> JL
> 
> 
> 
> Does it make sense?
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Fabien
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> De : Fabien VERHAEGHE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Envoyé : vendredi 14 septembre 2007 09:45
> À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet : [Pce] TLV Format
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> I think there is a little problem with PCEP object TLV format.
> 
> 
> 
> The main problem being that the general format of the TLVs is 
> not described 
> (Type, length value length, 4 bytes alignment...).
> 
> 
> 
> Besides for existing TLVs we have:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "The REQ-MISSING TLV is composed of 1 byte for the type,
> 
> 1 byte specifying the number of bytes in the value field, 2 bytes
> 
> for an "Unused" field (the value of which MUST be set to 0), 
> followed by
> 
> a fix length value field of 4 bytes specifying the request-id-number
> 
> that correspond to the missing request.
> 
> The REQ-MISSING TLV is padded to eight-byte alignment.
> 
> 
> 
> TYPE: To be assigned by IANA
> 
> LENGTH: 4
> 
> VALUE: request-id-number that corresponds to the missing request"
> 
> 
> 
> I think the LENGTH field should be set to 6, the unused field 
> 2 bytes being 
> part of the Value field. Otherwise
> 
> it means those 2 bytes are part of the TLV header and it 
> should be said that 
> all TLVs will be formatted with
> 
> this 4 bytes header i.e. Type (1byte) - Value field Length 
> (1byte) - Unused 
> field (2bytes) - Value field
> 
> Otherwise, there may be some problem when decoding a message 
> with unknown 
> TLV.
> 
> 
> 
> Besides I'm not sure about the "The REQ-MISSING TLV is padded 
> to eight-byte 
> alignment." statement.
> 
> Is it really needed?
> 
> 
> 
> For the NO-PATH-VECTOR TLV we have
> 
> 
> 
> "The NO-PATH-VECTOR TLV is composed of 1 byte for the type, 1 byte
> 
>    specifying the number of bytes in the value field, 
> followed by a fix
> 
>    length value field of 32-bits flags field used to report the
> 
>    reason(s) that led to unsuccessful path computation.
> 
> 
> 
>    The NO-PATH-VECTOR TLV is padded to eight-byte alignment.
> 
> 
> 
> TYPE: To be assigned by IANA
> 
> 
> 
>    LENGTH: 4
> 
> 
> 
>    VALUE: 32-bits flags field"
> 
> 
> 
> In this case there is no Unused field 2 bytes.
> 
> I think it would be better to have the same format for all 
> TLVs of all 
> object.
> 
> And again I'm wondering if the LENGTH field should be set to 4 or 6?
> 
> 
> 
> Can you please clarify this to me? Am I missing something?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Fabien
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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