On 20/12/2002 21:59 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (flawed jai) > >THE PC FAIR IS BACK TOMORROW AND SUNDAY-- AND I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT I'M >SHOPPING FOR!! AAAAUGHHHH!...PRESSURE!!! > >OK, I took my 6360 apart as far as I could, tonight. got the back panels >off and pulled out the 'drawer' motherboard to see what I actually have >on this baby. aggravated by the case design. How do you loosen and >remove the front panel where the cd rom and floppie drive are? I can see >that once that is off, I just slide the sides and top forward to expose >the whole innards. Because I couldn't successfully figure that out, I >had to leave it undone.
Insert a flat bladed screwdriver into the slots under the "lip" on each side of the front panel. Push down on the handle, prying the clips loose. Move each a little and the front will pop off, swinging from the bottom. >Cleaned out what dust bunnies I could with q-tips and a flashlihgt. Not >happy. judging by what came out, there's more I can't get to, inside the >case. removed much fluff from vents, fan, floppie slot, wiped out the >MoBo space and had to be satisfied at that. > >ok-- questions and discussion: >there's a plain metal 'pan' clipped flat on top of the 603e chip. Is >that a heat sink? are there more effective ways to cool it than that >rudimentary device? looked pretty crude compared to other heatsinks I've >seen. The PC fair is tomorrow and sunday. Wondered if i should shop for >a better heatsink assembly than what it has on it. That's a heat sink. Good enough for the chip. >Looked at the RAM. this can max up to 2 of 64 MB, 168 pin, =70 or< ns, >5V EDO DIMMS. looks like it doesnt have that yet. had one slot looked >maxed out.... other one looks less than. >I'm writing this before i hook it up and turn in on. don't even know >what OS he had on it. never wandered thru OS 8 or 9 before. what am I >looking for? where am I heading? to find out 128 is all you get. I run 9.1 on mine. Works well. >Hard drive size. >Ram installed > modem and speed >OS will show at boot up, obviously. >anything else it will show me? Unless you have a Global Village modem, I don't know how you will find out the speed. >looking on the MoBo--he has no L2 cache RAM on this thing. The board has >one slot attached for the typical 256k cache stick. Cache would be good. >It so happens I have such a stick. A fellow from the swaplist dropped >off a bunch of free stuff at my house a week or so back. and among the >items were > >a L2 cache card/wafer/stick pulled from an 8500 >and two RAM modules pulled from same. > >Q?-can that L2 cache module go into my cache slot?? >note: apple says 256k max in L2 cache. others say it can take up to 512k >or 1MB. the G3 L2 upgrade cache modules have anywhere from 256 to 1MB >on them. since the L2 volume ranges from that low of 256k to that high >of 1 MB with a G3, can i safely use more L2 in that slot-- even without >the G3 in it yet? can the 8500 module do any damage to it, or mess up my >computing operations, if its bigger than apple wants me to limit it to? Dunno about this. Apple System Profiler on mine simply says "L2 Cache Installed." >related note: >I studied the motherboard styles the other day, and I see that the whole >6xxx family uses the same 'drawer', same starting architecture. same >comm II slot, same PCI slot, same cache slot[s] same RAM slots, same tv >in/out slot. >so I knew what to expect , before I slid out the drawer tonight. I believe the 6200 and 6300 had Comm Slot I. The 6360, 6400 and 6500 had Comm Slot II. >I see that this board style has not one but two spaces for L2 cache >modules. mine only has one holder attached thru the board, but there is >already present and wired into the PCB, clearly, an area where another >one is meant to be punched thru and added, probably for other models in >the same architecture family. >so-Q?--has anyone ever added on another of those cache holder modules on >a board that was supposed to only use one? >anyone have any notion of what would happen to the board/bus/system if a >person were to obtain another cache holder slot and press it onto the >board to make contact with those other cache circuits exposed? Sound like a good way to "release the white smoke." As you know, if the smoke gets out, the computer won't work. >on to another item: >I can see that on my particular board, when I get a L2 G3 cache upgrade >module [sonnet, newer, whatever], it would clearly be better for me to >get the one with the heatsink facing away from the RAM slot. I have more >air room on that side. > >I was both disappointed and happy to find out that the previous owner >never put any PCI cards on this board. all this time I had thought he >said he put an ATI Rage 128 in there. but no such was to be found upon >sliding the drawer out. >So I get to shop for one at the PC fair tomorrow. >OR somethng else like it. > >Any advice? >this is a 6360 PPC, with a 603e chip, running at 160 Mhz, bus 40 Mhz, >1MB onboard VRAM, 8MB onboard DRAM, max system RAM 136MB. > >I have monitors aplenty to try on it: apple >14 and 15" multiscans, 17' compaq vga's, adapters till hell won't have >it-- both mac and vga, and cables to match. > >pickle got a 1024x 8xx res on a MS 15 once, by complete accident. if >that applies here. 1024x768 @ 72Hz is an option with mine. With a 15 inch monitor my eyes aren't good enough to see the icons at that resolution! >I WOULD like to play PC games on it, CD's like civlization I and II, >star trek, Myst---so visuals will mean a lot to me. gaming rendering. >armed with this, what PCI video cards could I buy for this at the fair >tomorrow? >and I DO mean to get this baby a G3 L2 cache upgrade to push the CPU up >to 320 MHz, tops. so factor that in to the choices of video card when >you recommend and advise me in replies. > >further Q?'s >my bro in law gave me his SCSI zip 100 drive [external]--do I assume I >should be shopping for blank zip mb disks at this fair, too? If Zips turn you on, why not? I wouldn't count on them for "archival" storage, but... >here's another item: >this computer takes IDE hard drive. >the motherboard does not use the typical 40 or 50 pin ribbon cable to >hook to the board. the leading edge of the logic board on the front of >the 'drawer' uses the kind of interface PCI cards use, to punch down >into a PCI slot, to connect with the input devices [floppie drive, cd >rom reader] that confounds my replacing the 8x cdrom with a 24x. but i'd >like to. I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but I stuck a 30gig Maxtor in mine. Works well with 9.1. It mounts behind the front bezel with an IDE cable. >last year I had a runched powerbook duo 2300c, and in hopes i could get >it fixed, i bought a laptop sized IDE drive at this same fair for it. >1.2 gigs. the PB didnt revive but I still have the drive, unopened, new >in package. Can it go into this machine? or on the outside in a SCSI >case adapted to its small size? give me good ideas, here. Don't think notebook IDE drives use the same interface cable as this machine. Externally you can do whatever your $$ permit. >also-the speed of RPM the hard drive spins at: >if i get one for this machine as it runs now, what RPM range is >comfortable for it with a 603e, 40 bus and 160 processor. >alternately, when i put the G3 L2 in it, what RPM's is it gonna want, >then? I think my Maxtor is 5400. Good enough for me, but then I am in no hurry. >and what is the max HD size i ought to stop at, considering the power >supply limits onboard, vs an externally powered SCSI casing, daisy >chained out the back? > >named brands? wisdom? experience? > >what and where do i look for the card that goes in the video in/out slot >on the MoBo? what brand name? can someone show me what one looks like? >what do you do with them? Don't know who made them, but I believe the one I have is an Apple branded one. Should be able to find one for $25 or so on the Swap list. >please give em your replies ASAP, onlist or off. >I might switch to feed mode for this. or just read the board at the >archives as your answers come in.. > >feel free to tackle just one subheading of this shopping list to advise >me on. > >oh--and is there any way to attach two PCI cards on one adapter on this >board? it has a right angle PCI adapter on it now. tho no cards as yet. >any other PCI cards I might want for it? Don't think so. No room in the case. The 6500 has a two slot riser that would probable work if the case was larger. > >janet the pressured Ken Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without. -- PCI-PowerMacs is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... 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