Yeah I knew a 64bit OS is not mandatory, but I've seen benchmarks on the AMD 64bit and they are the same and even slower than P4 CPU's on 32bit software in the majority of tests, (and the new P4 Extreme pretty much blew everything away). The only benefit of them (AMD 64bit) at this time is gaming, where they excel. Wow that's cheap, the cheapest 64bit AMD I've seen here is the "AMD 64 3200" (1.6ghz) which is over $400, that's 4 times the $ of a P4 of the same speed.
Yes I wanted a mobo with an additional IDE port for a separate non-slaved storage drive and preferred Si3112a, but unfortunately the P4C800-E Deluxe uses Promise. I considered the Abit IC7-G which uses the SI controller, (and the MSI Neo2 FIS2R which uses the Promise) but decided on the P4C800-E Deluxe since it was faster, higher rated, and the Abit had "memory issues" and the MSI had "BIOS issues"! Heck, they all have "issues". Hopefully Asus will release a new BIOS that will address my "issue". They have 1012 and 1013 out, HAD them out I should say and they were beta, but pulled v12 due to it frying boards, then pulled v13 after that. Maybe when they release these one will address the Promise issue. (BTW, someone d'loaded 1013 to read the release notes and it stated "support for P4 Extreme". I bet they removed it so they could force potential P4 Extreme buyers to have to buy another mobo!) -Clint God Bless Us All Clint Hamilton, Owner http://OrpheusComputing.com ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Kaulback" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do you need the SATA controller? If you do need it have you considered another vendor? Say the Silicon Image SATA controller or one from Highpoint, maybe these offerings would work soundly. I had issues with some Promise controllers in the past and now try to stay away from them altogether. Maybe their server cards are better, I know not. BTW, you don't need a 64 bit OS to run on the Athlon64 as it is backwards compatible with all 32 bit systems. And (at least in Canada) a low end Athlon64 cpu is not much more than your processor and the mobo for it isn't much either. Total cost for both is only a $100 more than what your combination would cost. These are retail too, and not an arm and a leg really :) Peter Kaulback In the hour of 09:43 AM 11/26/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke this: >Someone else with this mobo just contacted me and said they are >having the exact same issue. So, an RMA would not help. >Obviously an "issue" with the Promise controller chip and what >I described. He has a different revision too. Changing BIOS's >doesn't help. > >The board works perfectly, XP has no problems when I connect a >HD, but I'm not about to trust this Promise controller/memory >error issue. Somewhere along the line, it may decide to wipe >everything on a HD that's connected to the controller FAIK. I >told Asus this about others having the same problem, will be >"interesting" to see what they say. (They finally replied to >my original inquiry). I also think their quality control (as >with all the 865/875 mobo's) is pathetic since some boards are >flawless and others are not. I've never experienced any of the >other issues I've read about with this board (LAN, USB Legacy, >etc.), and I'm evidently the only one that has noticed this >specific issue up until yesterday when someone else tried it >and it happened with them. Obviously no one thought to test >the memory with anything on the Promise chip. > >I think I mentioned before that these new breed of 865/875 >chipset mobo's (like M$ and their OS's) were released way too >early. Every brand you look at has their "issues"; Asus, Abit, >MSI, etc. BIOS updates have fixed *most* of the issues. I >don't know if you've noticed, but there is a new BIOS update >out for these various boards about every month or so. I think >they were all too pressed to release them before they should >have due to the release of the AMD 64bit which they wanted to >beat to retail. (I don't have an "arm and a leg" to spare for >the AMD 64bit, nor a 64bit OS or programs to take advantage of >it. ;-) >-Clint > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Kaulback" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Well then the best thing for your sanity is to RMA the board >and get a >replacement, or maybe try an Athlon64 and get out of the Intel >corral for a >while. Sometimes a refreshing breather cures all <grin> > >Many friends have tried this board as well as other P4C800 >boards and they >are not happy. Perhaps Asus at this very moment is testing a >new revision? >Lets hope :) > >My 2 cents, > >Peter Kaulback > >In the hour of 05:51 AM 11/26/2003, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] spoke this: > > >That's irrelevant since this is only a "DOS" test. :-) It > >doesn't go into Windows, it boots off the floppy where the > >diagnostics are run in RAM. No hard drive needs to be > >connected. > >-Clint > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Kaulback" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > >Clint, are you using the Promise drivers or the MS drivers? > > > >Peter Kaulback > > > >In the hour of 05:55 AM 11/24/2003, OrpheusComputing.com spoke > >this: > > > > >Hi all. > > > > > >I've been wondering for over a month now, why with the >Promise > > >controller enabled on my Asus P4C800-E Deluxe (Rev 1.02) I >get > > >thousands of errors on Memtest86 AND the Microsoft RAM > > >diagnostics utility? I've changed video cards (nVidia & >ATI), > > >power supplies (top rated Fortron-Source FSP400-60PFN & >cheap > > >Leadman 400 watt), **MEMORY, everything and it still >happens. > > >NO PCI cards are installed. It DOES NOT matter if anything >is > > >even connected to the Promise controllers! It just has to >be > > >enabled in the BIOS and the errors are incredible. When I > > >disable the Promise controller, no errors! Legacy USB is > > >DISABLED in the BIOS. Overclock settings and memory >settings > > >have no effect on the errors. Whether FSB is 200mhz or > >255mhz, > > >I get the same results. Whether Turbo and PAT are on or >off, > >I > > >get the same results. Regardless of voltages, same results. > > >Regardless of ANY settings, the results are the same; >Promise > > >on, thousands of errors. Promise off, no Memtest or MS RAM > > >diag's errors. The mobo is not in a case. **Memory tried >is > > >Geil PC4000 Ultra Platinum, and some generic PC2700. ONE >SLOT > > >OR TWO SLOTS used, same thing, even switching slots with one > > >stick. I CAN run the memory tests on my P4B533 flawlessly > > >using both types of memory. So, there is nothing wrong with > > >the memory, and even it was it would not explain why only > > >errors with the Promise enabled. CPU is a retail 2.4C >(that's > > >a P4 2.4ghz with 800mhz quad-pumped bus). The HD on the > > >Promise controller can be accessed and used fine. > > > > > >Since I have two chips which look like VR's (voltage > >regulators > > >or FET's) marked "9115" on this mobo that are about to melt, > > >I've been trying to get an RMA for SEVEN WEEKS now, and >after > > >that long and over 60 emails and form fill-outs the Asus >site, > > >NO REPLIES. They won't even reply to address the Promise > > >controller memory error issue. One of these "9115" chips >are > > >next to the AGP slot, the other next to the DIMM slot >closest > > >to the outside edge of the mobo. I'm wondering if that >issue > > >and the Promise issue are related, as in a screwed up mobo. > > > > > >BIOS version is 1011. I am aware of v1012 & 1013 and the > > >issues surrounding them (Asus pulled both 12 & 13 from their > > >website). I have both 12 & 13, but of course am not going >to > > >try them for one; they were Beta, and I've heard of some >fried > > >mobo's with 13. > > > > > >FWIW, This mobo has the Intel ICH5R SATA controller, as well > >as > > >the Promise SATA and IDE controller. I had planned on using > >an > > >ATA133 HD on the Promise controller in the IDE non-RAID > >setting > > >for downloaded and other backups, and I have a WD Raptor >SATA > > >drive as the main HD. This was the reason in finding a >board > > >with a "3rd IDE" connector so no devices would have to be > > >slaved. (Conventional 2 IDE ports have CDRW and CDROM >drives, > > >ICH5R has the main Raptor SATA HD, Promise has the IDE HD > > >backup). These are not add-in PCI cards, but integrated > > >motherboard chip controllers just like the typical IDE chip > > >controllers, except for being RAID capable. I might add, >the > > >ICH5R is a dedicated bus chipset, and the Promise chipset >runs > > >on the PCI bus. > > > > > >So........what's going on here? Is it normal to get all >these > > >memory errors with the Promise controller enabled, and if >so, > > >WHY? If anyone here should happen to have one of these > >mobo's, > > >would you PUH-LEEEEZE take a few seconds and boot from the > > >Memtest floppy or MS RAM test floppy and check the errors >with > > >the Promise controller enabled and disabled? If someone >would > > >do this, then I would know if this normal or not and if >normal > > >I could (after TWO MONTHS) finally get this SOB in the case > >and > > >completed. As far as the 9115 chips, I can put heatsinks on > > >them if there is no Promise problem. I'd also appreciate it > >if > > >any P4C800-x users would touch these "9115" chips and see if > > >they are this hot. Any input or suggestions from anyone > > >appreciated. (BTW, all works fine when it boots into XP > > >whether the controller is enabled or disabled, however >memory > > >error issues potentially indicate serious stability problems > > >that must be addressed, not to mention a possibly screwy > > >Promise chip which I'm trying to ascertain). > > >Thank you! > > >-Clint ============= PCWorks Mailing List ================= Don't see your post? Check our posting guidelines & make sure you've followed proper posting procedures, http://pcworkers.com/rules.htm Contact list owner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Unsubscribing and other changes: http://pcworkers.com =====================================================
