----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hugh Vandervoort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:51 AM
Subject: RE: PCWorks: Capturing audio-video from the internet - what touse???


> It's high time for someone to look into this "Freedom of Speech" and
> "Separation of Church and State" stuff.
> Look what religious governments have done for Iran and Afghanistan, Saudi
> Arabia and Merry Olde England. We need more leaders anointed by God and
> willing to cover up the boobs on statues.
> I suppose some people really believe God has been outlawed. Maybe the
> problem with America is bone-deep ignorance and intolerance.
> I'm also going to look into having television made optional, or even having
> an on-off swirch installed. Maybe even spending more time with the kids
> rather than hiring TV as a babysitter.
> Don't get me started.
> ****************************************************************************
> **
> I know what you mean.  That's says a lot for the state of America when
> someone has to say "be aware" regarding a religious website doesn't it.
> :(  I MEAN what's in my signature file....and HAPPY & HONORED to say it.
> It's pretty pathetic when God is outlawed and made illegal in our society,
> and people are "offended" by him and Christianity, yet it's perfectly OK to
> have Prime-Time soft por-n, nudity, all cuss words, etc., on every channel
> that our kids can watch.  Then they wonder why most people kids, and society
> are so screwed up.  No doubt my comments will probably "offend" someone.
> [/rant]
>
> Ok.  ;-)  I didn't see any "Pic for this week" on that page.
> -Clint
>
> God Bless

I'll jump in on the bandwagon here, or rather off of it...

I find many of those who are "religious" to be self-righteous bigots themselves who 
use God as a tool to their means...  This turns
me off...  I do find some people whom I consider to be truly good people, some have 
found God, some have not...  I think I'm a good
person, I have not found God nor do I intend to...  I guess I'm too rational a 
person...  I can't sit there and say to myself "God
did this because I prayed for it" or "it was the haaaaannnnnd of Godddddd", what 
garbage...

TV, boobs, nudity, cuss words - they have nothing to do with how good a person is...  
I've known people who cuss like a sailor who
have hearts of gold and people who smile to your face and make you feel all good 
inside only to find out they are stabbing you in
the back...  I'd rather the former person as a friend myself...

Intolerance?  I don't care if someone goes to church and reads the bible as long as 
they practice what they preach...  I get tired
of the religious people who tell ME that *I* need to go to church or I won't be saved, 
or that someone is going to this church so
they won't go to heaven, etc etc etc...  How about the intolerant religious people who 
say Harry Potter is evil and full of the
devil?  How about the intolerant religious people who won't have anything to do with 
those outside of their own faith?  Sounds
similar to those who won't have anything to do with someone outside of their own race, 
doesn't it?  I once was on a mailing list
where someone started talking about her beliefs in Wicca...  I had never heard of 
Wicca/Paganism before, I don't believe in it now
that I know about it but that's my own personal opinion...  But I'm all for letting 
others talk about their religious beliefs...
Well, wouldn't you know it?  The "Christians" got all offended and were either voicing 
their opinions against this person or were
quitting the mailing list...  How's that for intolerant?  Not once did the girl who 
believed in Wicca attack the Christians nor did
she scrutinize their beliefs - she felt that they had their right to believe what they 
wanted...  But the same should have gone for
her...

How about that bozo congressman in Alabama who was willing to break the law to keep 
the stupid statue of the 10 Commandments up when
he was told it was to be removed but yet I'd bet he wouldn't blink an eye if someone 
told him he needed to remove a statue of
Aphrodite from somewhere...

It just gets me how those who use religion as a reason for being good will themselves 
break the law for their own means and for
their own personal reasons...

God is in the eye of the beholder (as the cliche goes)...  I say it's Mother Nature 
and what happens happens, no intervention by
some supernatural being...  I just can't understand how a society which has come so 
far in science can still cling to the God
theory...  I don't say God should be outlawed, people should believe what they want to 
believe...  But don't you dare tell me I'm a
bad mother or a bad person because I don't go to church or don't believe in God...

I personally believe in the "Freedom of Speech" and "Separation of Church and 
State"...  Without Freedom of Speech either the two of
you
above or I would have to remain silent and would not be able to state what we feel...  
Seperation of Church and State is
important...  You have Church to go to to do your praying and you can do it at home 
and on social gatherings with others who feel
the same...  But don't you dare force it upon me in the government which is supposed 
to be impartial to everyone...  You've got your
church to go to, you don't need to put religion in government as well...  Nor in 
schools...  That is what church is for...

I accept the fact that you should have the right to say what you want, on the same 
token so should I...

That's my rant...  Now back to our regularly scheduled computer talk...

Babs
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