On Sep 8, 2010, at 3:32 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-09-06 17:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Why do you think having the ability to autoload loaders is a bad
idea?
I can't see a disadvantage, but I am not saying there couldn't be
one.
I would like to see it be possible to write Pd objects in a bunch of
different langauges, then transparently use them as if they were
any Pd
object. Here's how I see it:
- there is a library of nice GUI objects using tclpd
- that gets packaged up Pd-extended, Debian, pure:dyne, etc.
- someone else goes looking for GUI objects and finds the
niceGUIobjects
lib
- they [import niceGUIobjects] and try making objects
- they get lots of errors in the Pd window and no GUI objects
Seems to me that for users, tclpd should already be loaded.
actually i think that it is [import]'s job to make sure that all the
dependencies are fullfilled in order to actually use that library.
so i believe that niceGUIobjects-meta.pd should have a "require tclpd"
equivalent (which of course has the scope of the patch containing the
[import] object)
having inter library dependencies, is not only a problem with loaders
(though loaders illustrate it nicely).
e.g. if i do [import GridFlow] without having Gem loaded, this will
eventually fail, because GF uses Gem's symbols but the dlinker has no
way of finding out that it is Gem.pd_linux that provides these
symbols.
fmgasdr
IOhannes
I agree that it should work something like this, but I think its going
to take us a while to get there. You can ask Claudius about the
complexity of this stuff, since he's been working on the local
namespace stuff.
First off, I don't think the dependency should be in the library, but
in the object. With objects that need a loader, you have a catch-22:
the object needs a loader in order to be loaded, and the object needs
to be loaded so that [import loader] runs. So loaders aren't really
the same as libraries.
.hc
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