On Jan 22, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
(I hope you don't mind if I bring that back to the list)
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 15:50 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
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On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 15:31 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
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On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 18:02 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
It was changed to work on GNOME/metacity, which is the default on
Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, etc. So it is by far and away
the most
common. Since it is going to be different with each window
manager, I
think it makes sense to have the defaults work for the most
people.
Didn't it work for everything before? Or am I even wrong in
thinking
that up to 0.42 Pd used to write the window geometry into the
patch file
and not the canvas geometry? Sorry to repeat myself: Why was it
changed
to storing the canvas geometry?
Roman
from my experience, it was not working, that's why I changed it.
I didn't
realize at the time that it was different on each window manager
in X11, I
only use GNOME/metacity.
Not that I care _that_ much about it, but I still wonder: In what
way is
it working better now than it was before? I wouldn't call it
'working'
when it actually only works with one window manager (metacity).
OTOH, I must say that it is quite easy to make it working in
non-metacity window managers. Only two numbers need to be adjusted
in
<pd-src>/tcl/pdtk_canvas.tcl.
Is there a way for tcl/tk to know in which window manager it is
running
in? If so, a real solution wouldn't be too hard, hopefully.
Roman
there has got to be a way, at worst you could always "ps auxww |
grep metacity" for each supported WM. I only use the default
Debian and Ubuntu setup, so I not the one to take this project on.
True.
However, I think it's not even tied to the window manager, but to the
theme it uses. At least I tested it also on Gnome/Metacity (default
theme on Lucid) and it was still off (which might be an indication
that
your Gnome is different from mine). Also I believe it is dangerous to
assume that the default theme uses the same measures on different
Ubuntu
versions or the measures are the same across different distros (most
likely they are _not_).
I don't see how it could be solved in a consistent way. I consider the
current implementation rather 'broken' than 'working'.
This is not a rant, but I think we should be aware of where things
might
fail. Personally, I am very fine with adjusting two numbers in a file
whenever I install Pd.
Roman
I can just add that I don't think its a good situation, but it was the
best I could do at the time. If you check the comments at the top of
pdtk_canvas.tcl, you can see a couple notes:
#TODO: http://wiki.tcl.tk/11502
# MS Windows
#wm geometry . returns contentswidthxcontentsheight+decorationTop
+decorationLeftEdge.
#and
#winfo rooty . returns contentsTop
#winfo rootx . returns contentsLeftEdge
It would be great if someone who uses X11 with different window
managers could take this on so that it does work on all platforms.
.hc
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