Patches item #3418851, was opened at 2011-10-05 03:19
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Category: puredata
Group: feature
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Assigned to: Miller Puckette (millerpuckette)
Summary: read startup config files from /etc/puredata/conf.d

Initial Comment:
Hello,

I was looking at using puredata from debian, and currently, it's a bit of a 
mess, if I want to use PD + gem, I need to install both, and then mess up with 
config files, or, as the readme suggest (Readme.Debian), launch pd with an 
extenssive commandline:

| to start Pd with Gem support, issue the command (without the '%' sign)
| 
| % pd -path /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem -lib Gem
| 
| OR
| 
| use the provided script instead of directly starting Pd:
| 
| % /usr/bin/pd-gem
| 
| OR
| 
| start Pd
| - navigate to "File->Path..." and add "/usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem" to the list of 
search-paths
| - click OK
| - navigate to "File->Startup..." and add "Gem" to the list of binaries to be 
loaded
| - click "Apply" and "Save all settings"
| 
| OR 
| 
| add the following lines to your ~/.pdrc file (deprecated)
| 
| -path /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem
| -lib Gem

I think it'd be better to automatially include a file, that's what this patch 
is all about (and to be able to make a pd extenssion debian policy).

tell me what you think

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Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts ()
Date: 2011-10-05 15:34

Message:
Ok, so I refreshed my patches to take into account some things said here:
http://core.evilgiggle.com/~xaiki/puredata/
(you can call me xaiki)


0001-give-an-argument-to-sys_rcfile-and-expand-with-realp.patch

hasn't changed, needed for 0002 and 0003

0002-import-configs-form-etc-puredata-conf.d-on-start.patch

will now look into /etc/puredata/conf-enabled
so we can setup an apache/lighttpd like dir with a puredata-conf-enable
script (that we can steal away)

0003-implement-conf-arg-to-specify-config-file.patch

add a -conf argument, using 0001

0004-make-conf-trigger-nopref-so-we-don-t-load-default-if.patch

this will make that -conf argument not use the default conf when
triggered, actually, it could be a bit smarter (i.e. checking if we could
actually read something... but well)

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Comment By: Jonathan Wilkes (jancsika1)
Date: 2011-10-05 14:13

Message:
@h-tee-tee-pee-yes: If you were looking at help patches, the [import]
object is excluded because libdir externals put the binaries in the same
directory as the help patches.

It does seem weird to have to import the import object.

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Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig)
Date: 2011-10-05 11:09

Message:
note, that even if all your patches were implemented, i would still rather
NOT enable all apt-installed pdlibs by default (i guess i am with hans
here)

instead, the sysadmin ought to decide on a case-by-case basis (something
like apache's /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/)

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Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts ()
Date: 2011-10-05 10:44

Message:
@zmoelnig: (really, things are easier to discuss via mail =)) 
the first patch only alows to specify a config file from C, yet, we could
easily make it a command line switch to be able to specify a file (or a
directory) to load.

@zmoelnig: I'm a puredata beginer, but I'm concerned that pd-gem allows
you to load only 1 extention at a time, what if you want gem + pidip + xxx
? I don't think it's an elegant solution.

@eighthave: good to know, that said, it doesn't seem widely used, I was
looking at some docs, and some projects and no patch I found was
implementing this, so I think it's easier to fix Debian/PD to include
some/all installed ext, than fix all patches in the wild.


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Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig)
Date: 2011-10-05 07:31

Message:
about the given patch: this is definitely a nice idea (i haven't looked at
the patch though), and allows to easily switch between predefined flavours
of your installed Pd.


i think it's a way better solution than the config-switcher.sh script that
comes with current Pd-extended, as it doesn't require write access in the
home-directory.

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Comment By: IOhannes m zmölnig (zmoelnig)
Date: 2011-10-05 07:21

Message:
@anonymous(how i hate the openID implementation on sf): i don't see how
starting "pd-gem" is "messing up with config files" or "launching "with an
extensive commandline". alternatively, you can always launch pd/Gem from
the menu

@eighthave: using [declare] or [import] is one of many options how to load
library. other ways have their value as well, and i don't think we should
force people to do something (even if we do believe that they should do it)
(and yes, i am not always true to this suggestion myself :-))

finally, the two patches submitted are somewhat independent (though
related):
- having the opportunity to force the use of a given preference file
- implementing an /etc/*/conf.d/ style config cascade

i would suggest submitting them separately.

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Comment By: Hans-Christoph Steiner (eighthave)
Date: 2011-10-05 04:05

Message:
For loading libraries, you should do it directly in the patch using either
[declare -lib] or [import] (apt-get install puredata-import).

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Comment By: https://www.google.com/accounts ()
Date: 2011-10-05 03:22

Message:
ok,... I can't seem to add my second patch,... you can find everything in:
http://core.evilgiggle.com/~xaiki/puredata/

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