On Oct 21, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 12:33 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Oct 21, 2011, at 5:49 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
Hi Hans
I noticed a significant difference between Pd-extended-0.43 and
Pd-vanilla-0.43 appearance. Symbol- and Numberboxes are 2 px
higher in
Extended than in Vanilla. This is especially problematic in cases
where
a GOP-patch in Vanilla was created so that the number/symbol box
perfectly fits in. The same GOP-abstraction in Pd-extended does not
show
the number/symbol box at all, because it is overlapping the GOP area
of
the abstraction.
I measured a default number box on Pd-extended 0.42.5 and 0.43. They
both were 21x39 pixels at 12 point font size. I don't know the
details of the current state of this stuff in vanilla, but in Pd-
extended, these sizes have been consistent across platform and
version
since 0.41 at least.
I totally believe you that Pd-extended was consistent to itself since
0.41. Still, the difference renders certain patches/abstractions
somehow
unportable between the two (extended and vanilla). What do you think
would be the best way to deal with that?
IMHO, it would be two things:
- make Pd vanilla do what Pd-extended does in terms of box sizing
- or, even better, make pd send pd messages to pd-gui instead of Tcl,
and move GUI size, mouse, click, etc handling to pd-gui. Then we get
zoomable GUIs and all sorts of other good things. Big project tho
I also noticed that Pd-extended-0.43 on OS X does not use anti-
aliased
fonts, although it is (I think) using Tcl/Tk 8.5, while Pd-
vanilla-0.43
does use anti-aliased fonts.
On Ubuntu both, Pd-extended and Pd-vanilla 0.43, do use anti-aliased
fonts.
That's an odd bug I've never seen. Pd-extended on Mac OS X has had
anti-aliased fonts for a long time (0.40?) and it does on every Mac
I've seen it on. Can you post a screenshot?
Probably it's a very recent regression bug. The oldest autobuild of
Pd-extended-0.43 I tested was probably a week old. Actually, on all
(probably 5 different?) OS X machines I tested the new builds on the
fonts were aliased. But it could well be, that all the machines were
10.6.X (don't know if that matters).
Attached two screenshots taken from the same machine, one from
Pd-extended0-42.5 and one from Pd-extended-0.43.1
Roman
<aliased.png><anti-aliased.png>
Ah, I see. It turns out that 0.43 is actually correct. If you
compare the same text in a native Mac OS X program like TextEdit, use
plain text mode, and make sure its using Monaco for the font. Then
you'll see that 0.43 is actually the same as TextEdit, while in 0.42,
the font is slightly smaller than it should be, therefore looking
fuzzy or anti-aliases. Monaco is a font that is not anti-aliased at
many sizes.
.hc
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