this is odd. I made a simple Pd external which uses s_list and s_signal with 
MSVC in two versions: 
one links against Miller's pd.lib, the other links against the pd.lib I get 
when building from source with MinGW and autotools.
Both versions compile, link and load just fine with either Pd version.

I'm using the Developer command prompt, these are my commands:

> cl /W3 /DNT /DPD /nologo /I. /IPDSOURCEPATH /c testobj.c
> link /dll /export:testobj_setup testobj.obj oldnames.lib kernel32.lib 
> PDBINPATH\pd.lib

Christof
 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2018 um 12:01 Uhr
Von: "Pierre Guillot" <guillotpier...@gmail.com>
An: "IOhannes m zmoelnig" <zmoel...@iem.at>
Cc: pd-dev <pd-dev@lists.iem.at>
Betreff: Re: [PD-dev] pd.lib & msvc - missing symbols

> however, it would be nice if the shipped pd.lib (which uses the MinGW
> toolchain and doesn't have the MSVC tools) would contain all the
> required symbols.
 
Yes, what seems strange is that s_list and s_signal were defined in the shipped 
pd.def but not in pd.lib...
 
> otoh, i do think that those global variables (`e.g. `s_float`) shouldn't
> be used in the first place: use the `gensym()` equivalents.
 

Why? 
I used these variable because I assumed that they are more efficient than using 
`gensym()` (and as they are defined EXTERN I also assumed that they can be 
used). 
But yes perhaps a better solution would be to generate and store the symbols in 
the new method of the object using `gensym()` (and it will be the same but for 
the sustainability of old codes, these symbols must be included).
 
Thanks
 
2018-05-23 11:38 GMT+02:00 IOhannes m zmoelnig 
<zmoel...@iem.at[mailto:zmoel...@iem.at]>:On 2018-05-23 11:29, Pierre Guillot 
wrote:
> But there are missing symbols: on Windows
> 64bit I can't use s_list and s_signal for example. I solved the issue by
> creating my own pd.lib and pd.def from pd.dll. So if you encounter the same
> issue, you can simply do
>
>> dumpbin /EXPORTS pd.dll > pd.exports
>> lib /def:pd.def /out:pd.lib

the problem with this is that it requires MSVC tools
now, the target audience are MSVC-users (who else needs that pd.lib...),
so they already have it.
however, it would be nice if the shipped pd.lib (which uses the MinGW
toolchain and doesn't have the MSVC tools) would contain all the
required symbols.

otoh, i do think that those global variables (`e.g. `s_float`) shouldn't
be used in the first place: use the `gensym()` equivalents.

gasdmr
IOhannes

> I hope it could help some of you. Perhaps we could add a documentation
> somewhere about it... (I don't know if it useful...) I can help if needed.



 
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